Guard/Reserve Pilots civi jobs.
08-19-2009, 06:28 PM
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Guard/Reserve Pilots civi jobs.
What do you as your civi job when your not fulfilling your Guard or Reserve duties.
At the unit I will be it seems that the majority of the Guard pilots are airline pilots...
Thanks.
At the unit I will be it seems that the majority of the Guard pilots are airline pilots...
Thanks.
08-20-2009, 11:57 AM
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Jobs that seemed to work out the best where Airline pilots, fireman, gov jobs, nurses, in my experience. These jobs allowed for a lot of leave and very little trouble from employers.
08-21-2009, 04:26 AM
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Its about 50/50 Airline/non airline guys in my unit. Between Troughers, ART's and guys who work for the local aviation industry (Before it imploded, thank you government hypocrites), there are a lot of non airline guys.
08-21-2009, 10:41 AM
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With increased monthly "number of day" commitments brought on by your neighborhood friendly TFI initiatives, the 9-5 crowd is becoming increasingly choked in their ability to juggle the big 3 (family/Guard-reserve/civi job). 8 days a month is all good when you're flying fast and high on your cool F-16 and your commander tells you a viper comes before your "lousy" wife and bebe, but even 90% of those jokers in the fighter unit model are airline pilots anyways. For the rest, yeah the proposition of a civi job with banker hours is getting pretty skosh. TFI is killing the Guard/Reserves.
Soon it will be AD 2.0 and we will be outright looked upon as scabs willing to do a job for a third of the pay. Not a winning proposition IMO. I've had people utter the ultimate blasphemy and confess that for the amount of participation now expected one is better off going AD than doing it for peanuts in the AFRES. For a TR to be saying that says a lot.
As for myself, count me on the "bum" column. It can't be done. Civi employers won't touch me with a ten foot pole with my expected level of participation. Conversely, commuting to one job, let alone two, would outright cost me money to go to work. Even min running, at 8 days a month and a 9-5 I would never be home, the wife would leave me and the household would fall apart. I might as well go active duty and not be home but get that 40% paycut back and make the wife and gardener happy while I'm out hacking the mish.... The part-time thing doesn't sound like a good deal then.
And don't get me started with the airlines, that's really what's killing the gig, nobody wants to go airline anymore. With the exception of the O-5 Chiefs of the tribe types, hogging the payroll and getting the last bastion of good airline schedules as they outright "up and fold" close shop on that industry and chapter in our country's history, the rest of the worker indians are avoiding the airline jobs like the plague and trying to hack a 9-5 job at their own scheduling peril. Most severely min run the unit until the unit can't write it off anymore to the Wing and start clamping down, at which point people just get fed up and give the finger to the "service before self on a part-time paycheck" garbage.
And no, being a contractor on-base or otherwise holding a "we allow you to serve your country between the hours of 9-5" govt related job does not count as a civi job for the spirit of intent of this discussion. Actually, if anything, I'd love to see what kind of interactions you would get from excusing those who are not afforded govt jobs as TRs from participating to the tune of 8 days a month vis-a-vis those who hold senior seniority airline or "friendly" govt jobs and are expected to perform to said participation level. That would be an ugly food fight, and as a matter of point it is already happening in my neck of the woods between the locals and the out of towners. TFI is getting ugly. 9-5 jobs are in aggregate incompatible with the TFI AFRES, and largely incompatible with the post-airline world we live in (post-airline in the sense that airline jobs are no longer looked upon as competitive employment sources for college degreed individuals with access to a military pay chart). Time to come up with a new paradigm for the TR or quit the platitudes and shut down the Guard/Reserves already.
Soon it will be AD 2.0 and we will be outright looked upon as scabs willing to do a job for a third of the pay. Not a winning proposition IMO. I've had people utter the ultimate blasphemy and confess that for the amount of participation now expected one is better off going AD than doing it for peanuts in the AFRES. For a TR to be saying that says a lot.
As for myself, count me on the "bum" column. It can't be done. Civi employers won't touch me with a ten foot pole with my expected level of participation. Conversely, commuting to one job, let alone two, would outright cost me money to go to work. Even min running, at 8 days a month and a 9-5 I would never be home, the wife would leave me and the household would fall apart. I might as well go active duty and not be home but get that 40% paycut back and make the wife and gardener happy while I'm out hacking the mish.... The part-time thing doesn't sound like a good deal then.
And don't get me started with the airlines, that's really what's killing the gig, nobody wants to go airline anymore. With the exception of the O-5 Chiefs of the tribe types, hogging the payroll and getting the last bastion of good airline schedules as they outright "up and fold" close shop on that industry and chapter in our country's history, the rest of the worker indians are avoiding the airline jobs like the plague and trying to hack a 9-5 job at their own scheduling peril. Most severely min run the unit until the unit can't write it off anymore to the Wing and start clamping down, at which point people just get fed up and give the finger to the "service before self on a part-time paycheck" garbage.
And no, being a contractor on-base or otherwise holding a "we allow you to serve your country between the hours of 9-5" govt related job does not count as a civi job for the spirit of intent of this discussion. Actually, if anything, I'd love to see what kind of interactions you would get from excusing those who are not afforded govt jobs as TRs from participating to the tune of 8 days a month vis-a-vis those who hold senior seniority airline or "friendly" govt jobs and are expected to perform to said participation level. That would be an ugly food fight, and as a matter of point it is already happening in my neck of the woods between the locals and the out of towners. TFI is getting ugly. 9-5 jobs are in aggregate incompatible with the TFI AFRES, and largely incompatible with the post-airline world we live in (post-airline in the sense that airline jobs are no longer looked upon as competitive employment sources for college degreed individuals with access to a military pay chart). Time to come up with a new paradigm for the TR or quit the platitudes and shut down the Guard/Reserves already.
08-21-2009, 02:03 PM
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With increased monthly "number of day" commitments brought on by your neighborhood friendly TFI initiatives, the 9-5 crowd is becoming increasingly choked in their ability to juggle the big 3 (family/Guard-reserve/civi job). 8 days a month is all good when you're flying fast and high on your cool F-16 and your commander tells you a viper comes before your "lousy" wife and bebe, but even 90% of those jokers in the fighter unit model are airline pilots anyways. For the rest, yeah the proposition of a civi job with banker hours is getting pretty skosh. TFI is killing the Guard/Reserves.
Soon it will be AD 2.0 and we will be outright looked upon as scabs willing to do a job for a third of the pay. Not a winning proposition IMO. I've had people utter the ultimate blasphemy and confess that for the amount of participation now expected one is better off going AD than doing it for peanuts in the AFRES. For a TR to be saying that says a lot.
As for myself, count me on the "bum" column. It can't be done. Civi employers won't touch me with a ten foot pole with my expected level of participation. Conversely, commuting to one job, let alone two, would outright cost me money to go to work. Even min running, at 8 days a month and a 9-5 I would never be home, the wife would leave me and the household would fall apart. I might as well go active duty and not be home but get that 40% paycut back and make the wife and gardener happy while I'm out hacking the mish.... The part-time thing doesn't sound like a good deal then.
And don't get me started with the airlines, that's really what's killing the gig, nobody wants to go airline anymore. With the exception of the O-5 Chiefs of the tribe types, hogging the payroll and getting the last bastion of good airline schedules as they outright "up and fold" close shop on that industry and chapter in our country's history, the rest of the worker indians are avoiding the airline jobs like the plague and trying to hack a 9-5 job at their own scheduling peril. Most severely min run the unit until the unit can't write it off anymore to the Wing and start clamping down, at which point people just get fed up and give the finger to the "service before self on a part-time paycheck" garbage.
And no, being a contractor on-base or otherwise holding a "we allow you to serve your country between the hours of 9-5" govt related job does not count as a civi job for the spirit of intent of this discussion. Actually, if anything, I'd love to see what kind of interactions you would get from excusing those who are not afforded govt jobs as TRs from participating to the tune of 8 days a month vis-a-vis those who hold senior seniority airline or "friendly" govt jobs and are expected to perform to said participation level. That would be an ugly food fight, and as a matter of point it is already happening in my neck of the woods between the locals and the out of towners. TFI is getting ugly. 9-5 jobs are in aggregate incompatible with the TFI AFRES, and largely incompatible with the post-airline world we live in (post-airline in the sense that airline jobs are no longer looked upon as competitive employment sources for college degreed individuals with access to a military pay chart). Time to come up with a new paradigm for the TR or quit the platitudes and shut down the Guard/Reserves already.
Soon it will be AD 2.0 and we will be outright looked upon as scabs willing to do a job for a third of the pay. Not a winning proposition IMO. I've had people utter the ultimate blasphemy and confess that for the amount of participation now expected one is better off going AD than doing it for peanuts in the AFRES. For a TR to be saying that says a lot.
As for myself, count me on the "bum" column. It can't be done. Civi employers won't touch me with a ten foot pole with my expected level of participation. Conversely, commuting to one job, let alone two, would outright cost me money to go to work. Even min running, at 8 days a month and a 9-5 I would never be home, the wife would leave me and the household would fall apart. I might as well go active duty and not be home but get that 40% paycut back and make the wife and gardener happy while I'm out hacking the mish.... The part-time thing doesn't sound like a good deal then.
And don't get me started with the airlines, that's really what's killing the gig, nobody wants to go airline anymore. With the exception of the O-5 Chiefs of the tribe types, hogging the payroll and getting the last bastion of good airline schedules as they outright "up and fold" close shop on that industry and chapter in our country's history, the rest of the worker indians are avoiding the airline jobs like the plague and trying to hack a 9-5 job at their own scheduling peril. Most severely min run the unit until the unit can't write it off anymore to the Wing and start clamping down, at which point people just get fed up and give the finger to the "service before self on a part-time paycheck" garbage.
And no, being a contractor on-base or otherwise holding a "we allow you to serve your country between the hours of 9-5" govt related job does not count as a civi job for the spirit of intent of this discussion. Actually, if anything, I'd love to see what kind of interactions you would get from excusing those who are not afforded govt jobs as TRs from participating to the tune of 8 days a month vis-a-vis those who hold senior seniority airline or "friendly" govt jobs and are expected to perform to said participation level. That would be an ugly food fight, and as a matter of point it is already happening in my neck of the woods between the locals and the out of towners. TFI is getting ugly. 9-5 jobs are in aggregate incompatible with the TFI AFRES, and largely incompatible with the post-airline world we live in (post-airline in the sense that airline jobs are no longer looked upon as competitive employment sources for college degreed individuals with access to a military pay chart). Time to come up with a new paradigm for the TR or quit the platitudes and shut down the Guard/Reserves already.
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