New GI Bill
08-26-2008, 01:59 PM
#52
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Maybe not. The newest GI Bill elimates many vocational programs. If you qualify for the Montgomery GI Bill then you can still use that for type ratings (they pay for 60% of flight training).
However, there is a possibility it can pay for a type.....but it has to be done at "an institution of higher learning". So that means you must go to an established college.... the controversy is --- Can you get a type at a place like Embry Riddle, etc.? I haven't seen or found in the legislation if flight training is specifically excluded.
UPDATE 1: Looks like we can't use the new GI Bill for type ratings. I just read that it's only for associate degree programs or higher. Vocational programs are excluded.
08-26-2008, 02:00 PM
#53
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Is Higher Power part 141 or under an approved VA syllabus?
I ran into issues with this once before, and we remain in appeals 3+ years later. I have copies of the VA approved syllabus from 2005, but still wait for my day in front of the board.... lesson here, make sure you are approved before you give the place the green light to fly. Appeals is a long, and nearly impossible process.
You can have non-approved courses approved by the VA, but stand by for paperwork and delays. It amazes me that I can be funded 100% to become a dental hygienist, massage therapist, or PADI SCUBA instructor - but becoming a commercial (or above) pilot is nearly impossible to qualify as "vocational training", much less get 100% tuition.
Then again the VA probably has it right:
"You'll never be more than a bum with a pilot certificate!" The same attitude existed since two bike repairmen tried to get wood and fabric to defy gravity, same attitude existed after WWII, and on into the US Mail and Barnstormer days.... only bums and fools bought airplanes - like them our careers have only seen short periods of success and several disasters. Despite my love for the WACO biplane, those Weaver Aircraft Company brothers smartly got into the ice cream business and founded Eskimo Cream Pies and made a fortune outside of aviation.
I ran into issues with this once before, and we remain in appeals 3+ years later. I have copies of the VA approved syllabus from 2005, but still wait for my day in front of the board.... lesson here, make sure you are approved before you give the place the green light to fly. Appeals is a long, and nearly impossible process.
You can have non-approved courses approved by the VA, but stand by for paperwork and delays. It amazes me that I can be funded 100% to become a dental hygienist, massage therapist, or PADI SCUBA instructor - but becoming a commercial (or above) pilot is nearly impossible to qualify as "vocational training", much less get 100% tuition.
Then again the VA probably has it right:
"You'll never be more than a bum with a pilot certificate!" The same attitude existed since two bike repairmen tried to get wood and fabric to defy gravity, same attitude existed after WWII, and on into the US Mail and Barnstormer days.... only bums and fools bought airplanes - like them our careers have only seen short periods of success and several disasters. Despite my love for the WACO biplane, those Weaver Aircraft Company brothers smartly got into the ice cream business and founded Eskimo Cream Pies and made a fortune outside of aviation.
08-26-2008, 02:13 PM
#54
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Is Higher Power part 141 or under an approved VA syllabus?
I ran into issues with this once before, and we remain in appeals 3+ years later. I have copies of the VA approved syllabus from 2005, but still wait for my day in front of the board.... lesson here, make sure you are approved before you give the place the green light to fly. Appeals is a long, and nearly impossible process.
You can have non-approved courses approved by the VA, but stand by for paperwork and delays. It amazes me that I can be funded 100% to become a dental hygienist, massage therapist, PADI SCUBA instructor - but becoming a commercial (or above) pilot is nearly impossible to qualify as "vocational training", much less get 100% tuition..... then again the VA probably has it right.
"You'll never be more than a bum with a pilot certificate!" The same attitude existed since two bike repairmen tried to get wood and fabric to defy gravity, same attitude existed after WWII, and on into the US Mail and Barnstormer days.... only bums and fools bought airplanes - like them our careers have only seen short periods of success and several disasters.
I ran into issues with this once before, and we remain in appeals 3+ years later. I have copies of the VA approved syllabus from 2005, but still wait for my day in front of the board.... lesson here, make sure you are approved before you give the place the green light to fly. Appeals is a long, and nearly impossible process.
You can have non-approved courses approved by the VA, but stand by for paperwork and delays. It amazes me that I can be funded 100% to become a dental hygienist, massage therapist, PADI SCUBA instructor - but becoming a commercial (or above) pilot is nearly impossible to qualify as "vocational training", much less get 100% tuition..... then again the VA probably has it right.
"You'll never be more than a bum with a pilot certificate!" The same attitude existed since two bike repairmen tried to get wood and fabric to defy gravity, same attitude existed after WWII, and on into the US Mail and Barnstormer days.... only bums and fools bought airplanes - like them our careers have only seen short periods of success and several disasters.
Higher Power should be approved. I did a course in 2004 and 60% was paid by the VA. However, as you said the VA is a bureaucratic nightmare. So much so that many people give up on them ..... Go to your congressman. A letter from them gets approvals fast.
Funny you mention massage therapist and PADI instructor. I did BOTH of them as well as a type rating with the MGIB. It did not matter----no matter what program --- there was ALWAYS a hassle. So pilots aren't the only occupation that are considered bums.
09-08-2008, 04:29 AM
#56
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The answer is Yes!!! If you served on Active Duty more than the 90 days for the min eligibility or 36 mos for 100% .......
However, it will only pay for classes you take after Aug 2009, not before
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