New GI Bill
07-08-2008, 04:14 AM
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Yes......HOWEVER
No payment to be eligible...ie the $1200 for the Montgomery GI Bill is not applicable here. No payment into it.
AFA Grads and ROTC scholarship are eligible. But the time calculation for benefits is the time served AFTER your commitment for the original AFA or ROTC ADSC. In other words, you owed 5 years for AFA---your clock for the GI Bill begins at 5 years and 1 day etc. So you would need 36 mos of Active duty after the 5 years to be fully eligible.
No payment to be eligible...ie the $1200 for the Montgomery GI Bill is not applicable here. No payment into it.
AFA Grads and ROTC scholarship are eligible. But the time calculation for benefits is the time served AFTER your commitment for the original AFA or ROTC ADSC. In other words, you owed 5 years for AFA---your clock for the GI Bill begins at 5 years and 1 day etc. So you would need 36 mos of Active duty after the 5 years to be fully eligible.
07-08-2008, 04:55 AM
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So if I am to understand this, If I have served 3 years active post 9/11 after fulfilling my initial service commitment, I have a GI Bill? ( I am ROTC Scholarship) What if I used my reserve GI Bill for a 737 Type? Is this a new one?
I may need to volunteer for the desert to get up to 3 years AD.
I may need to volunteer for the desert to get up to 3 years AD.
07-08-2008, 04:43 PM
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07-08-2008, 04:45 PM
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So if I am to understand this, If I have served 3 years active post 9/11 after fulfilling my initial service commitment, I have a GI Bill? ( I am ROTC Scholarship) What if I used my reserve GI Bill for a 737 Type? Is this a new one?
I may need to volunteer for the desert to get up to 3 years AD.
I may need to volunteer for the desert to get up to 3 years AD.
07-08-2008, 07:17 PM
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20 Top FAQs for the New GI Bill - Education - Military.com
15. Question: What types of education programs are approved for the new Post 9/11 GI Bill?
Answer: The Post 9/11 GI Bill differs in some ways from the MGIB when it comes to the types of programs that can be used. Under the Post 9/11 GI Bill you may receive educational and training assistance for any program of education that is approved under MGIB (chapter 30) and offered by a college or university. This includes vocational training programs that are offered by acredited colleges and universities only. However, if you were previously eligible for the MGIB, MGIB-SR (1606), or REAP (1607) you may continue to receive educational assistance for MGIB approved programs not offered by colleges and universities (i.e. flight, correspondence, APP/OJT, preparatory courses, and national tests).
FAQ #15 seems to indicate that flight training won't be covered by the new GI bill (maybe ER could be an exception as a university). Anyone else read this paragraph with the same interpretation?
15. Question: What types of education programs are approved for the new Post 9/11 GI Bill?
Answer: The Post 9/11 GI Bill differs in some ways from the MGIB when it comes to the types of programs that can be used. Under the Post 9/11 GI Bill you may receive educational and training assistance for any program of education that is approved under MGIB (chapter 30) and offered by a college or university. This includes vocational training programs that are offered by acredited colleges and universities only. However, if you were previously eligible for the MGIB, MGIB-SR (1606), or REAP (1607) you may continue to receive educational assistance for MGIB approved programs not offered by colleges and universities (i.e. flight, correspondence, APP/OJT, preparatory courses, and national tests).
FAQ #15 seems to indicate that flight training won't be covered by the new GI bill (maybe ER could be an exception as a university). Anyone else read this paragraph with the same interpretation?
07-08-2008, 07:42 PM
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Jousteagle, I saw that too and it made me think the same thing. The thing I never liked about the VA is I call the base representatives and they don't know anything and tell me to call the VA, so I call the VA and nobody there seems to be able to give me a straight answer. Too convoluted.
Anyways, here is what I found at GovTrack: H.R. 5740: Text of Legislation
If you scroll halfway down section 3313 (just do a search for "flight" and you will see the section I'm referring to), you will see a section dedicated to flight training.
When I referred to the above sections, it looked like flight training will pay will be limited to the state tuition maximum. When I referred to section 3860A, looks like it doesn't exist yet. Anyhow, I see conflicting information but where the whole new GI Bill is written out, it looks like Flight Training will be covered.
Anyways, here is what I found at GovTrack: H.R. 5740: Text of Legislation
If you scroll halfway down section 3313 (just do a search for "flight" and you will see the section I'm referring to), you will see a section dedicated to flight training.
Originally Posted by GovTrack.us
`(i) Flight Training- (1) Educational assistance is payable under this chapter for a program of education consisting of flight training as follows:
`(A) Courses of flight training approved under section 3860A(b) of this title.
`(B) Flight training meeting the requirements of section 3034(d) of this title.
`(2) Paragraphs (2) and (4) of section 3032(e) of this title shall apply with respect to the availability of educational assistance under this chapter for pursuit of flight training covered by paragraph (1).
`(3) The educational assistance payable under this chapter to an individual for pursuit of a program of education consisting of flight training covered by paragraph (1) is the amounts as follows:
`(A) The amount equal to the lesser of--
`(i) the established charge which similarly circumstances nonveterans enrolled in the program would be required to pay; or
`(ii) the maximum amount that would be payable to the individual for the program of education under paragraph (1)(A) of subsection (c), or under the provisions of paragraphs (2) through (7) of subsection (c) applicable to the individual, for the program of education if the individual were entitled to amounts for the program of education under subsection (c) rather than this subsection.
`(B) A housing stipend in an amount equal to the amount of the appropriately reduced amount of monthly stipend for housing otherwise payable to the individual under subsection (c).
`(C) A monthly stipend in an amount equal to the monthly equivalent of the appropriately reduced amount of the yearly stipend for books, supplies, equipment, and other educational costs otherwise payable to the individual under subsection (c).
`(4) The nature and amount of the tuition, fees, and other expenses constituting the established charge for a program of flight training under this subsection shall be determined in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary.
`(5) Payment of the amounts payable under paragraph (3) for pursuit of a program of flight training shall be made on a monthly basis.
`(6) For each month for which amounts are paid an individual under this subsection, the entitlement of the individual to educational assistance under this chapter shall be charged at the rate of one month for each such month.
`(A) Courses of flight training approved under section 3860A(b) of this title.
`(B) Flight training meeting the requirements of section 3034(d) of this title.
`(2) Paragraphs (2) and (4) of section 3032(e) of this title shall apply with respect to the availability of educational assistance under this chapter for pursuit of flight training covered by paragraph (1).
`(3) The educational assistance payable under this chapter to an individual for pursuit of a program of education consisting of flight training covered by paragraph (1) is the amounts as follows:
`(A) The amount equal to the lesser of--
`(i) the established charge which similarly circumstances nonveterans enrolled in the program would be required to pay; or
`(ii) the maximum amount that would be payable to the individual for the program of education under paragraph (1)(A) of subsection (c), or under the provisions of paragraphs (2) through (7) of subsection (c) applicable to the individual, for the program of education if the individual were entitled to amounts for the program of education under subsection (c) rather than this subsection.
`(B) A housing stipend in an amount equal to the amount of the appropriately reduced amount of monthly stipend for housing otherwise payable to the individual under subsection (c).
`(C) A monthly stipend in an amount equal to the monthly equivalent of the appropriately reduced amount of the yearly stipend for books, supplies, equipment, and other educational costs otherwise payable to the individual under subsection (c).
`(4) The nature and amount of the tuition, fees, and other expenses constituting the established charge for a program of flight training under this subsection shall be determined in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary.
`(5) Payment of the amounts payable under paragraph (3) for pursuit of a program of flight training shall be made on a monthly basis.
`(6) For each month for which amounts are paid an individual under this subsection, the entitlement of the individual to educational assistance under this chapter shall be charged at the rate of one month for each such month.
07-13-2008, 09:36 AM
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I don't know about payment for flight training. However, no BAH unless you are a full time student. (don't know exactly what the definition of a full time student is, but I know that a 3/4 law school student does not get BAH). So I'd assume the flight training is less than that.
By the way, the VA page also indicates that certifications/licenses are covered with $2,000 in funds that doesn't count against the overall VA benefit. I'm still interested in the majority of ratings, other than PPL, and how much is covered.
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