Osprey Time
10-16-2007, 07:25 PM
#21
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Quick survey of my Harrier peeps says they just log it as FW time on the airline applications and nobody quibbled about it in an interview. 90% of the time they do low speed rolling takeoffs/landings, mainly due to some funky ground handling characteristics at higher speeds.
Now the V-22...not sure about that.
HTH
Spongebob
Now the V-22...not sure about that.
HTH
Spongebob
10-17-2007, 01:17 AM
#22
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Hi!
The Osprey is a mil aircraft.
Bell/Agusta, who makes the Osprey, makes the Bell BA 609 tiltroter, which is a civilian tiltrotor. It is MUCH smaller than the Osprey, and much less complicated.
http://www.bellagusta.com/air_ba_mainVid.cfm#video
cliff
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The Osprey is a mil aircraft.
Bell/Agusta, who makes the Osprey, makes the Bell BA 609 tiltroter, which is a civilian tiltrotor. It is MUCH smaller than the Osprey, and much less complicated.
The BA609 Tiltrotor combines the speed, altitude, and comfort of a turboprop with the vertical takeoff and landing capabilities of a helicopter. Having cruising capabilities of 25,000 ft., this versatile aircraft will fly in icing conditions and extreme climates, from Arctic to desert. With seating up to nine passengers (the interior they show on the website has seating for 6 with a small galley, plus the two pilots) and at twice the speed of typical helicopters
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From city center to city center, there's no quicker way to travel from one downtown area to another for distances between 50 and 500 miles
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In March of 2003, Bell/Agusta made aviation history with the inaugural test flight of the world's first civilian tiltrotor at Bell's Flight Research Center in Arlington, Texas.
Designed from the outset for low life cycle maintenance and maximum operational flexibility, the civil tiltrotor will offer operators highly cost-effective, point-to-point transportation at cruise speeds up to 275 knots and at ranges up to 750 nautical miles,
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From city center to city center, there's no quicker way to travel from one downtown area to another for distances between 50 and 500 miles
...
In March of 2003, Bell/Agusta made aviation history with the inaugural test flight of the world's first civilian tiltrotor at Bell's Flight Research Center in Arlington, Texas.
Designed from the outset for low life cycle maintenance and maximum operational flexibility, the civil tiltrotor will offer operators highly cost-effective, point-to-point transportation at cruise speeds up to 275 knots and at ranges up to 750 nautical miles,
http://www.bellagusta.com/air_ba_mainVid.cfm#video
cliff
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10-17-2007, 07:05 AM
#23
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I suspect that the 609 will be very successful...it has several significant safety advantages over the V-22...
No need for fast, tactical approach/LDG/departures. A slow approach almost elininates the vortex-ring state problem.
No incoming enemy fire, so the chance of total power loss is the same as any other twin-turbine aircraft...almost zero.
The transition from forward to rotor flight will be much slower than on the V-22, eliminating some technical risk and simplifying the aerodynamics of the transition.
No need for military payload vs. performance compromises...all aircraft designs are compromises, but civilian designs are biased more towards safety.
No need for fast, tactical approach/LDG/departures. A slow approach almost elininates the vortex-ring state problem.
No incoming enemy fire, so the chance of total power loss is the same as any other twin-turbine aircraft...almost zero.
The transition from forward to rotor flight will be much slower than on the V-22, eliminating some technical risk and simplifying the aerodynamics of the transition.
No need for military payload vs. performance compromises...all aircraft designs are compromises, but civilian designs are biased more towards safety.
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