what constitutes a logbook?
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what constitutes a logbook?
When you take your logbook to the interview, do you need to take the actual bound paper one (USN/USMC type) or can you take a print-out from an electronic logbook?
What exactly are they looking at? Do they want to see individual sorties or the monthly/yearly summary pages?
I have 2 logbooks, and, ahem, ahem, can't find the first one. I have 100% of my flight time in an electronic logbook, and photocopies of about 80% of the pages of the first logbook plus the actual second logbook. I also have almost all of my NAVFLIRs from that missing time (the 20% I don't have photocopied) if I needed to prove the flight time. I haven't been flying for over 2 years, so they are no longer kept at squadron ops.
I know the logbook is somewhere in the house, but I just checked the safe and its not there. Chances are I had it out at some point and was too lazy to go put it back where it belonged, and put it "somewhere I won't forget" in the meantime.
I will probably find it within a couple hours of embarrassing myself by posting this, but should the unthinkable happen and I don't find it, how bad is the damage?
What exactly are they looking at? Do they want to see individual sorties or the monthly/yearly summary pages?
I have 2 logbooks, and, ahem, ahem, can't find the first one. I have 100% of my flight time in an electronic logbook, and photocopies of about 80% of the pages of the first logbook plus the actual second logbook. I also have almost all of my NAVFLIRs from that missing time (the 20% I don't have photocopied) if I needed to prove the flight time. I haven't been flying for over 2 years, so they are no longer kept at squadron ops.
I know the logbook is somewhere in the house, but I just checked the safe and its not there. Chances are I had it out at some point and was too lazy to go put it back where it belonged, and put it "somewhere I won't forget" in the meantime.
I will probably find it within a couple hours of embarrassing myself by posting this, but should the unthinkable happen and I don't find it, how bad is the damage?
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Lost my entire logbook and USAF flight records jacket in a natural disaster. Per the local FSDO I recreated the logbook with block entries of times by acft type. I also have supporting documentation such as flight orders and DD214 etc. to prove time. Sign and date the page with the entry with short reason for mass entered times. BE CONSERVATIVE.
#3
I am not military, but I no longer keep a paper logbook. In my most recent interview with a national airline (not a regional), I only brought a printed version of my Safelog electronic logbook. I printed it on green paper and used photocopies of all my endorsements and put them in the back. I also maked all my checkrides with sticky tabs.
The interviewer asked me some questions about it, but after reviewing it, he decided he liked the electronic logbook. I got the job.
The interviewer asked me some questions about it, but after reviewing it, he decided he liked the electronic logbook. I got the job.
#4
I haven't kept a written logbook since 2001. It hasn't been an issue in any of the interviews that I've had since then. (I use a printed electronic logbook of my own design).
As long as you have the required information in an organized manner, most places wont have an issue with it.
As long as you have the required information in an organized manner, most places wont have an issue with it.
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Cool. So all is not lost, literally. I've been thinking about doing the safelog as well. What I have now is all in Excel. One reason I'm thinking about taking the time to put everything in safelog is that my current logbook format does not include all data for some things I want to track, such as takeoff and landing locations (for tracking cross country time). I have most of my NAVFLIRs from the fleet, which is all I really care about anyhow. Also, a lot of the USN style record keeping resets time totals at the fiscal year changeover, which makes totalling stuff like career night, actual instrument, landings, etc, a pain in the butt after awhile.
#6
I brought an electronic copy of my pic time and my flying history record from the military to my interview....i got the job.
As long as everything is clean, organized, and correct it should not be a problem. Since all of my ratings are mil, no questions were asked about signatures.
As long as everything is clean, organized, and correct it should not be a problem. Since all of my ratings are mil, no questions were asked about signatures.
#7
I did multiple interviews and all I used were my AF printouts. I made copies of the flying history report, aircraft summaries (the one that shows time in each aircraft), and then all the sheets that show each sortie. I put them in a 3-ring binder from staples and organized them neatly so that a non-flying HR or non-AF person could easily understand it. I also typed up a very simple summary on excel that displayed time the way the particular airline wanted to see it (PIC, SIC, Multi, Turbine, etc). This was the first sheet in the "logbook".
All my interviews where with majors and no one had any problem with what I did. I actually received a couple compliments on how organized and neat it appeared...and yes I got the offers...
All my interviews where with majors and no one had any problem with what I did. I actually received a couple compliments on how organized and neat it appeared...and yes I got the offers...
#9
Military can use whatever, they're not too worried about you. It's impossible to falsify the fact that you were a military pilot...they are going to pull a copy of your DD214 from the government which will verify your military pilot status.
For the civilians...
Once you are established in your career you can use e-logbook printouts, but employers will always want to see your original book with all of your training endorsements...make sure you bring that. It increases an employer's comfort level that you are who you say you are, and that your history is true.
For the civilians...
Once you are established in your career you can use e-logbook printouts, but employers will always want to see your original book with all of your training endorsements...make sure you bring that. It increases an employer's comfort level that you are who you say you are, and that your history is true.
#10
I have used Safelog for over 4 years, it's very good, but the logbook printouts are a pain in the arse. I cannot recommend it because of this. If you want to use an electronic logbook as your only logbook, I would recommend one that is easier to print out, like Logbook Pro.
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