Ex-enlisted members flying @ 121 operators?
07-23-2007, 05:19 AM
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Military service in any capacity is a help to an applicant. Officer, Warrant Officer, or Enlisted. IMO, it says a LOT about a person that would be enlisted in the service. Some one has to do it, and it says a lot to a potential employer that not only did you step up to the plate to serve your country, you had the stamina to go home, obtain your degree, and your ratings. Obviously military pilots are a shoe-in, but IMO, an enlisted man will get the job with lower time than a civilian guy. Enlisted life IS NOT easy. For Uncle Sams Misguided Children type, all bets are off! Just kidding. 
Tom
Tom
07-23-2007, 05:30 AM
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Most of the responses I get are curiosity. There just aren't too many ex-enlisted grunts (11B4V) who did the kind of work that I did flying for 121 carriers. I've never gotten the feeling that the military officers (ex or otherwise) were looking down their noses at me. And if someone did, they'd get away with it. Once.
07-23-2007, 06:27 AM
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I have done everything I can to encourage enlisted troops to reach for their dream of flying despite the challenges. I think most people realize that it is harder for an enlisted troop to get the flight hours, the 4-year degree, and the proper flight experience to even get in the door for an interview than it is for an officer that came right out of school and into pilot training. It shows initiative and perseverance.
I know of an enlisted guy that came in for an interview. When they said, "so what did you do before you got here?" he replied, "well, I was a S.E.A.L. and....." They cut him off and said, "congratulations, you're hired."
Never let anyone tell you that it is not possible when it comes to reaching your goals. Just keep asking until you find someone that says yes.
I know of an enlisted guy that came in for an interview. When they said, "so what did you do before you got here?" he replied, "well, I was a S.E.A.L. and....." They cut him off and said, "congratulations, you're hired."
Never let anyone tell you that it is not possible when it comes to reaching your goals. Just keep asking until you find someone that says yes.
07-23-2007, 07:08 AM
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I have done everything I can to encourage enlisted troops to reach for their dream of flying despite the challenges. I think most people realize that it is harder for an enlisted troop to get the flight hours, the 4-year degree, and the proper flight experience to even get in the door for an interview than it is for an officer that came right out of school and into pilot training. It shows initiative and perseverance.
I know of an enlisted guy that came in for an interview. When they said, "so what did you do before you got here?" he replied, "well, I was a S.E.A.L. and....." They cut him off and said, "congratulations, you're hired."
Never let anyone tell you that it is not possible when it comes to reaching your goals. Just keep asking until you find someone that says yes.
I know of an enlisted guy that came in for an interview. When they said, "so what did you do before you got here?" he replied, "well, I was a S.E.A.L. and....." They cut him off and said, "congratulations, you're hired."
Never let anyone tell you that it is not possible when it comes to reaching your goals. Just keep asking until you find someone that says yes.
On another note, how pathetic is our status quo when a former SEAL now airline pilot gets mugged by TSA on a daily basis passing through security? I don't know how the pax pilots deal with TSA and I am so glad to not deal with them on the cargo side.
07-23-2007, 08:10 AM
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Surreal,
ETS 87 from Army E5...college...61 flight school...CFI,Cargo 135,Commuter121...current Fractional (NJA) past 10+ years. Never once did I get anything but respect from my past and current peer group. Service of your country puts you ahead... in my bias opinion.
Infoman.
P.S. Still (only after a beer) Sick, Lame, Lazy, Airborne crazy.
ETS 87 from Army E5...college...61 flight school...CFI,Cargo 135,Commuter121...current Fractional (NJA) past 10+ years. Never once did I get anything but respect from my past and current peer group. Service of your country puts you ahead... in my bias opinion.
Infoman.
P.S. Still (only after a beer) Sick, Lame, Lazy, Airborne crazy.
07-23-2007, 09:26 AM
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Military service in any capacity is a help to an applicant. Officer, Warrant Officer, or Enlisted. IMO, it says a LOT about a person that would be enlisted in the service. Some one has to do it, and it says a lot to a potential employer that not only did you step up to the plate to serve your country, you had the stamina to go home, obtain your degree, and your ratings. Obviously military pilots are a shoe-in, but IMO, an enlisted man will get the job with lower time than a civilian guy. Enlisted life IS NOT easy. For Uncle Sams Misguided Children type, all bets are off! Just kidding.
Tom
Tom
I agree. Any non-pilot ex-military type will have a slight advantage over his civilian-only peers. Employers generally like military work ethics and many ex-military pilots are involved in hiring.
07-23-2007, 09:56 AM
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07-23-2007, 02:18 PM
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I've trained a number of former and current enlisted folks in the 170 program.
I jump at the chance to have a military guy as a student. He knows the drill. He can take criticism and pressure. He doesn't make excuses. And best of all, he understands me and my way of teaching!!
I jump at the chance to have a military guy as a student. He knows the drill. He can take criticism and pressure. He doesn't make excuses. And best of all, he understands me and my way of teaching!!
07-23-2007, 03:22 PM
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the only thing I get when people find out about my service is
"have you ever shot at/killed anyone"
"whats it like over there"
I do not tell anyone unless for some reason it comes up, but being former Marine it is pretty obvious since the Marines arent a part of your life, they become your life so I think I stand out a bit amongst the others
"have you ever shot at/killed anyone"
"whats it like over there"
I do not tell anyone unless for some reason it comes up, but being former Marine it is pretty obvious since the Marines arent a part of your life, they become your life so I think I stand out a bit amongst the others
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