IFR Cx Rcvd

I brought my FEF, HARM folder (complete line-by-lines on one side, FHR on the other), and printed digital logbook to AA.

For the logbook, I just got a regular landscape 8.5x11 binder with landscape dividers on Amazon. First page was a combined table of contents and simple time summary (PIC/Total for Turbine/Turboprop/Piston/Combined).

First section behind the summary sheet was a notarized letter explaining that I didn’t have logbooks for civ time up to X date anymore, and everything after that was only logged in LogTen (along with pictures of original PPL endorsements).

Second section was LogTen’s Jepp Pro 27 printout with all civ/mil checkrides tabbed.

Third section was an FAA sim time summary and the FTI gradebook (tabbed for the ATP Practical.

Got the CJO with zero logbook issues. Make sure whatever you use fits the FARs for legal logbooks.

rickair7777

Pretty wide aperature on that.

1. You cannot log something fraudulently, and then use it for any official FAA purpose (ie aeronautical experience for cert, rating, privilege, profiency, etc). I don't think there's any legal proscription on lying to employers, although I'm obviously not recommending it.

2. You must log enough info to show you meet FAA currency for any operations which you conduct (night landings, instrument operations, etc).

Other than that you have very wide discretion on what, when and how to log stuff. Employers obviously like the usual formats found in off-the-shelf logbooks, or similar.

IFR Cx Rcvd

I’m referring that all the content required by FAR 61.51 is there. Not just a line of Date/Type/Time, etc. The usual formats fit the mould, but its a sanity check if someone is using an Excel file.

TaylorPilot

Do you have a link to binder you bought? All the ones I am seeing are 7 ring.

IFR Cx Rcvd

8.5" X 11" Landscape View Binder,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08J4H1MG1...p_mob_ap_share

BlueScholar

Applications and interviews are a haze to see who wants to be there, who gives a **** enough to put in the work to land a 8 figure paying career in which attention to detail is a faily useful skill set. You can interview prep all you want and come off as slick and charming, but if someone can't be bothered to spend an hour or 3 getting their records tight as possible that will shine through.

I had the exact same problem! I looked at my logs and I had like 25 extra hours of primary, 10 less of IP, 2 more EP, 10 extra night hours, etc. It made no sense. I went through my records and the line by line to see where ARMS had typos or maybe it was my math errors they fixed, and out of my ~3000 hours I got mine within about 10 hours of the official record. I had a reasonable response ready to explain the air force records keeping process, and especially how screwed up it was while we were deployed, and I was ready to speak to those numbers and my app had the lower of the 2 numbers. In the end nobody asked me about them, but you can see how an answer about my methodology, an explanation and a good faith answer that isn't trying to game the system would go over much better than a shrug and "IDK lol. Can I have my legacy job now?"

1- Do your due dilligence and be ready to speak to your logbook deltas
2- Present them in a nice clear spreadsheet that is easy to comprehend
3- Bring all your official records as proof in case they need to see them

Just because the interview packet says they do not need to see official records deosn't mean that you can't bring them along just in case and keep them in your bag on the small chance they could be useful.

JohnBurke

If you're trying to turn your logbooks into a gallery piece with a scripted presentation to explain the last tenth, you maybe overthinking things in the extreme. Show up, having been there and done that, and whomever is interviewing you will know that without ever needing to look at the liebooks. It will be clear from the conversation that follows.

The truth is that at most interviews I've attended, I've offered a stack of logbooks, with no interest in seeing them. If I got the job, it wasn't because I knew someone, nor because I wore a blue suit with a red tie, nor because my logbooks glowed with perfection, nor because I had a litany of canned stories to tell and answers to sell. My pen and ink logs look about like they did when I was in my early teens. My suit is a sport coat and slacks. Herringbone. I've never sought or got a job based on knowing someone, and I don't walk into an interview fresh from rehearsal.

You know how to fly. Hopefully you've been told how to interview. Be honest, be genuine, be present and listen. You already know what you're talking about. Let it show. I'm not going to go back to logbooks and put in the bazillion hours of tedium necessary to parallel them with Godliness. The employer isn't hiring me to fill out logbooks. Be correct, but the notion that it's got to crosscheck every which way from mothers day is far beyond overkill.

As for counsel that the only part of your logbook that must be legal is the part used to record landings, approaches, and time for certificates, ratings, and currency, ah...no. It's a legal document. Log legally. Log accuratley. Don't invent ****. Don't tell employers what they want to hear. Just log, show the log if asked, present your numbers when asked. and focus on more important things like passing tests and evaluations. If your job offer comes down to being the most-squared away logbook in the history of squares, so be it. If you're in the interview, the operator wants to hire you. If it's your imperfect logbook that torpedoes you below the waterline, perhaps you were already riding fairly low in the water. The interview is simple; show up, don't drown.

You could spend all that time before the interview lining out the perfect logbook, or you could focus on other things that will actually be asked and evaluated.

rickair7777

Failure to have a logbooks, or dress and groom appropriately, or play other games can indicate poor SA or lack of GAS. I agree they're not getting you the job, but lack of certain things can you lose you a job. The HR ladies make a profession of noticing those things.

JohnBurke

I never suggested one should fail to bring logs, if requested. One does not need to place so much emphasis on them, as some seem to suggest.

Dressing appropriately is not necessarily dressing like a well-cut cookie. No one has suggested one should not dress for the interview. I've seen people show up in a Levi cordoroy suit, or a crushed velvet suit; neither appropriate nor the correct decade. Also both were badly wrinkled and didn't look professional. One need not be in a new blue suit with a red tie to get the job, however. A sport jacket, blue or grey slacks, white shirt and tie, have worked well for me for a long time. To each his own.

Echoes of Kit Darby abound everywhere, and despite the flashy magazines, he was right about half the time. Kind of like a broken clock.

TaylorPilot

Thanks for the advice. I already got the job, but they want to do logbook review during INDOC, and am wanting to make it as professional and painless on their end as possible to make sure I actually qualify...It is all duplicated on a digital log, and I went through all my paper logs and the only questionable one I found is a flight from my instrument training that the instructor didn't endorse. Other than that, it looks pretty clean. I went the pretty generic training route, so there isn't really much room for weird interpretation of my time.