sigtauenus

I've been going over my logbook, and a buddy in the office noticed that my NVG time was more than my actual instrument time. He thought that was odd because night time usually counts as actual instrument time.

However, whenever I was flying on goggles, I considered that as having a defined horizon and didn't log it as instrument time. If I flew a 1.5, and logged a 1.3 of NVG time, I only logged .2 of actual time for that flight, unless I happened to actually be in the goo in which case I counted that portion of the NVG time as actual instrument time. If I had the goggles on during an approach, I logged it as sim time, unless I was actually in the goo during the approach.

Not sure if this matters, but I have seen some places that require 250 hours of instrument time, and I'm at around 150. Did I shortchange myself with the way I logged NVG vs actual instrument time?

Slice

I've heard a good ratio for actual time is about 10% of your total time...I never logged my NVG time as actual unless I got into the weather and then you're not on the goggs anymore anyway. Actual defined is flight solely by reference to instruments if I remember correctly. To me, using an instrument crosscheck on NVG's doesn't fit that definition.

Hacker15e

I'm also of the opinion that if you were on NVGs, you were NOT on instruments.

I have about 150 hours of Actual, too, with about 1,800 total time, 350 night and 250 NVG.

sigtauenus

Cool. I have a little over 1000 hours total, with about 90 NVG, 80 actual, and 80 sim (in aircraft of course).

I agree, usually in the goo the goggles went up, with some notable exceptions such as manning the DCA during the end of OSW with a solid layer throughout our block.

Blackhawk

Usually I did not log it as WX time unless I was using the HUD on the NVGs as the only reference. I logged it as night and NVG time.

c17heavy

not sure about beans in the mudhen, but in the 17, we actually have an nvg instrum appch requirement...thus we are on nvgs and instruments.

sigtauenus

I usually kept the nvg's on during the approach until I was on final or turning to final depending on type of approach. You can obviously see through the HUD just fine, but once you start getting close to the field the lighting almost forces you to put the nvg's up even if SOP didn't.

GBU-24

No NVG Appr beans in the Dark Gray...thank god. Standard act is the de-nog NLT the FAF...as a technique if I know the WX is S@#T I'll usually fly an approach with the NAV FLIR turned on since it is projected up on the HUD. I can safely say it helped prevent diverting more then once at the Heath.

As for logging time. Anytime I'm logging night, I'm logging actual. Even with the nogs on my x-check doesn't change much vs not wearing them.

Adlerdriver

Guys,
No one gives a sh!t about instrument time from what I can tell. If you're applying to a major, all they really care about is total time and PIC. I'm on my third (and last-I hope) civilian job and not one has had a bubble on a computer sheet, blank space on an app or air time in the interview to fill in ANY info on instrument time. NVG time is even more worthless. They aren't going to give a sh!t. As long as you have enough night time to get an ATP, who cares.
If you're not applying for a civilian job and you're asking about this.....WTF? Good Luck.

Hacker15e

NetJets requires 250 actual or sim instrument...so somebody cares about it.