Diesel1030

hey guys,
Just finished UPT and am in the process of logging all of my flight time (better to start now I figure). I searched some previous posts about how to log flight time etc. I found some opinions that say just keep your keep your military flight records and bring those to an interview vs. having a log book. The pain is that i'm having a hardtime breaking out the time from my old flight records into my old logbook as far as what was considered instrument time etc. What I started doing was just logging everything as dual and then total time. As far as my T1 time..I should be able to log this as ME time correct? Finally, to save a huge headache..shoud I just do a one line entry including all my UPT time? I have heard airlines dont much care about UPT time..except that I can use it for TT. Excuse me
for the dumb questions as I'm still learning how to correctly apply all my times.

Thanks for any help

CAFB 04-12

I personally log all my student time in one big chunk at the top of my e-logbook.

Hacker15e

I logged everything line-by line, but that is because I kept up with my flights as I actually went through UPT.

I only counted the solos as PIC, everything else as multiengine dual, turbine, and total time only.

Split S

I recommend starting an excel spreadsheet type of logbook now, see apc website downloads section for some examples (though there are others out there). I created my own program in excel that way I can query it for different types of flight time for my annual checks as well as calculate sortie count/turbine time/ME time etc for airline resumes. It took me 3-4 months of data entry and over 1000 lines to computerize 6 years of military flying! START NOW!!

-SS

Slice

I did a one line entry for my T-37 time and one for my T-38 time. I kept the print outs and brought them with me when I interviewed. I was never asked to show them. I still keep my civilian logbook and AFORMS separate.

peterpilot379

Diesel,

In recommend that you keep your civilian stuff separate from the mil. If you try to transfer your mil time to a logbook, you are opening up a door to headaches when it comes time to interview with the airlines. You can count on errors in the transfer process at many times during you military flying career. The last thing you want to have to deal with is one, the pain of keeping it error free and two, having to explain during your interview why your times don't match up. You do not want that to be an issue. I think the easiest thing to do is keep tabs on what Uncle Sam is logging for you. He will make mistakes. Save your 781s so you can do a good records review to each year. Maintain a tight civilian log book and when the time comes to interview, just bring that one sheet military flight time printout. Most airlines expect that from the mil folks anyway. KISS method and path of least resistance. Just my 2 cents.

1Seat 1Engine

I've only used AFORMs and here's some of the the drawbacks:

My UPT time shows up as a single number. There's no way to break out solo or dual time.

After you leave UPT, AFORMS makes no distinction between student time and non-student, and in fighters, I don't think it even differentiates between solo and dual.

I still think an airline likes seeing an AFORM product over a manual logbook since there's much less opportunity for fraud.

Hacker15e

That's the same thing that one retiring O-5 told me early on in my career, and I stopped logging my time. In retrospect, I now think that was a poor choice, and I now log everything in an Excel logbook.

The problem with that is that you HAVE to review your AFORMS every year anyway. What's the difference between flipping through a big stack of 781s to check your AFORMS printout and looking at your own logbook?

It's not really that much more effort.

There ARE numerous errors in my AFORMS record...and guess what, because of how the system works, there is NO way to ever fix them once you PCS from your base.

I log my time together. Sure, I'll bring my logbook and my AFORMS printout to the airline interviews. There will be differences between AFORMS and my logbook....but I know about them. I have a page in my Excel logbook that explains error-by-error every difference between my AFORMS and my personal logbook -- pretty easy way to explain the differences.

Hacker15e

I had a total of about 27 solo hours in SUPT...I don't think you miss out on much in the grand scheme of things by not having the time broken out.

GBU-24

Break it out line by line, then totalize it on your last sortie to make sure it adds up to your actual UPT totals.
Also as above, keep your Mil and Civil time seperate. I also keep different log books per MDS (UPT - T-3/T-37/T-38) (AT-38B/C) (F-15E), that way it adds exactly what my Form 5 says.

Hacker, how is it going?

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