So let me get this right…
08-21-2021, 08:39 AM
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So, shut down all four engines? Or wait until someone crawls into one looking for a hidden entryway to the cabin? And who is going to provide this escort? Excepting of course the other two thousand panicky people running to find some way - ANY WAY - to get on or in to your aircraft? And then what happens when the SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY PEOPLE you have back in the cargo bay all decide to come forward and give you THEIR OPINION (probably in Pashtun) about what THEY think you ought to done that? Or attempt to fly the bird themselves if you won’t? You gonna pull out the 9mm and start shooting? When there are 640 of them and you have four magazines max?
These things are SO EASY to decide after a couple days of sitting around the OSI conference room brainstorming possibilities and then doing a little googling and calling up the JAG to research similar events in the past. Not so much when the $hit storm is descending on you.
These things are SO EASY to decide after a couple days of sitting around the OSI conference room brainstorming possibilities and then doing a little googling and calling up the JAG to research similar events in the past. Not so much when the $hit storm is descending on you.
08-21-2021, 09:14 AM
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Possibly. 1st off, it's an important thread. Thanks for creating it. Similarities but this wasn't the Pueblo. They got VERY lucky. Let's see what develops. Let me ask you this, where's the best source to follow proceedings? Those with some focus on doctrine & evidence over editorial rewrites.
08-21-2021, 02:32 PM
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Very difficult to say. OSI investigations are hard to get at. Article 32 hearings even more so. Basically, the case needs to actually be approved for court martial before outsiders even know what is going on. At which time whatever general officer has approved it generally has their own credibility (and/or ego) on the line depending on the outcome.
08-22-2021, 05:41 AM
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Very difficult to say. OSI investigations are hard to get at. Article 32 hearings even more so. Basically, the case needs to actually be approved for court martial before outsiders even know what is going on. At which time whatever general officer has approved it generally has their own credibility (and/or ego) on the line depending on the outcome.
08-22-2021, 05:57 AM
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EDIT: never mind, that’s another one on the ignore list. The last thing I need to do is spend time on the nonsensical jabbering of a bat**** insane person.
08-22-2021, 05:59 AM
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The tactical situation sure looked very grey to me. Whatever security existed had obviously already lost control so they were on their own.
A slow taxi appeared the best option to me... allow those who wanted to get out of the way the opportunity to do so. Not much you can do about people trying to ride on the outside, nor would they have any way of knowing that was happening.
They were cleared to takeoff and security units attempted to clear the refugees away from the aircraft.
Probably the reputable news media or FNC, this will be a high-interest story and if there's any hint of scapegoating the crew the word will get out. FNC will probably be all over that.
A good legal defense tactic in this case might be to leak the charge sheet (if any) and let public opinion and politics coerce the DoD into doing the right thing. An investigation must be done under the circumstances, but charges or discipline do not appear warranted unless there was some really egregious discussion on ATC or CVR tapes.
Both left and right seem to be sympathetic towards the aircrews doing evac ops...
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...pt-sot-vpx.cnn
A slow taxi appeared the best option to me... allow those who wanted to get out of the way the opportunity to do so. Not much you can do about people trying to ride on the outside, nor would they have any way of knowing that was happening.
They were cleared to takeoff and security units attempted to clear the refugees away from the aircraft.
A good legal defense tactic in this case might be to leak the charge sheet (if any) and let public opinion and politics coerce the DoD into doing the right thing. An investigation must be done under the circumstances, but charges or discipline do not appear warranted unless there was some really egregious discussion on ATC or CVR tapes.
Both left and right seem to be sympathetic towards the aircrews doing evac ops...
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...pt-sot-vpx.cnn
08-22-2021, 06:33 AM
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No harm no foul v. desperate nomads flinging from the sky. Bubba said it clean, "Why did this have to happen Forrest?" Secure the field or close it. Time to go.
08-22-2021, 06:47 AM
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A good legal defense tactic in this case might be to leak the charge sheet (if any) and let public opinion and politics coerce the DoD into doing the right thing.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...pt-sot-vpx.cnn
08-22-2021, 07:31 AM
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08-22-2021, 08:15 AM
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