Career Intermission Program
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Your plan is flawed in this respect. When you report that you spent the past X years on active duty in the Navy, any airline will legitimately ask for your DD214. Since the Navy won't consider you separated, you won't have one. This will be an enormous red flag. If they do give you a DD214, then you might have something.
Years ago, I interviewed at an airline that wanted to hire me. When I presented my DD214 the chief pilot was surprised. He had just hired a former Army warrant officer who, when asked for his DD214, told the CP that, "Only enlisted troops get those." Once I set him straight, he was a bit angry (not with me). Before my class date, they began to furlough. Typical.
Years ago, I interviewed at an airline that wanted to hire me. When I presented my DD214 the chief pilot was surprised. He had just hired a former Army warrant officer who, when asked for his DD214, told the CP that, "Only enlisted troops get those." Once I set him straight, he was a bit angry (not with me). Before my class date, they began to furlough. Typical.
I never got asked for a 214 at my airline. They will call all your old bosses though. Imagine their surprise.
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Thank you for the replies.
The Career Intermission Program incurs a 2 month obligation for every month of sabbatical taken. If you took the full 3 years that would obligate you to 6 years of active service which should count as a commitment in the eyes of USERRA.
As far as being shady,I know plenty of reservists who mobilized for 5+ years away from their airline gig or dropped mil leave to escape crappy pay during the first few years of airline flying. I'm not trying to escape any obligations but would be using all available tools to further a career. Which to me is smart not shady.
The Career Intermission Program incurs a 2 month obligation for every month of sabbatical taken. If you took the full 3 years that would obligate you to 6 years of active service which should count as a commitment in the eyes of USERRA.
As far as being shady,I know plenty of reservists who mobilized for 5+ years away from their airline gig or dropped mil leave to escape crappy pay during the first few years of airline flying. I'm not trying to escape any obligations but would be using all available tools to further a career. Which to me is smart not shady.
Dude, your plan is shady AF and if you don't see that, you have a skewed outlook.
You will literally be screwing reserves and fellow career intermission people. This isn't the early 2000s. That was a different time and those guys followed the rules.
Try telling the interviewers your plan and see how that goes.
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Navy has a program that allows a 3 year sabbatical from active service. I was thinking of using this program to make a run at the airlines and pick up a seniority number before returning to active duty.
I'm a helo guy so my question is do you think 3 years is enough time to start at a regional and be picked up by a major? It would be a bit if a wasted effort in my mind to take 3 years off and at the end of it still be at a regional.
Also, upon return to active service I would have 7 years left until reaching 20. Since I wouldnt really be recalled to active service like a reservist, would USERRA laws protect my job at the airline while I finished off my 20?
I would like to pick up a AD retirement and I'm not one of those guys who is miserable in the service right now but I would like to catch the front side of this hiring wave if it can be done. Any thoughts?
I'm a helo guy so my question is do you think 3 years is enough time to start at a regional and be picked up by a major? It would be a bit if a wasted effort in my mind to take 3 years off and at the end of it still be at a regional.
Also, upon return to active service I would have 7 years left until reaching 20. Since I wouldnt really be recalled to active service like a reservist, would USERRA laws protect my job at the airline while I finished off my 20?
I would like to pick up a AD retirement and I'm not one of those guys who is miserable in the service right now but I would like to catch the front side of this hiring wave if it can be done. Any thoughts?
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It sounds like this might work with a Envoy RTP type program. They require a 2 year commitment and then the Navy would require a 4 year commitment on the backside while waiting for your AA flow to hit.
Obviously all parties would be informed of what my situation was and I still think this is only shady if you tried to hide what you're doing or attempted to flee from a obligation. A large part of doing something like this would be to see if I even enjoyed an airline a career at all. I'd hate to toss a AD retirement down the drain and then find out that I don't really even enjoy working the job.
Out of the box yes but I think you're going to start seeing more out of the box programs because it's obvious the current way of doing business is not working for the military or the airlines. In fact, reading a article about the Air Force considering a program such as this is what spurred me to do some research in the first place. They are proposing to allow a guy to leave service for a period of time to obtain a seniority number and then return to their military career. Win win for everyone involved.
Obviously all parties would be informed of what my situation was and I still think this is only shady if you tried to hide what you're doing or attempted to flee from a obligation. A large part of doing something like this would be to see if I even enjoyed an airline a career at all. I'd hate to toss a AD retirement down the drain and then find out that I don't really even enjoy working the job.
Out of the box yes but I think you're going to start seeing more out of the box programs because it's obvious the current way of doing business is not working for the military or the airlines. In fact, reading a article about the Air Force considering a program such as this is what spurred me to do some research in the first place. They are proposing to allow a guy to leave service for a period of time to obtain a seniority number and then return to their military career. Win win for everyone involved.
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Obviously all parties would be informed of what my situation was and I still think this is only shady if you tried to hide what you're doing or attempted to flee from a obligation. A large part of doing something like this would be to see if I even enjoyed an airline a career at all. I'd hate to toss a AD retirement down the drain and then find out that I don't really even enjoy working the job.
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I agree 7 years may be a little excessive but I think 3-4 years would be manageable on both sides. What I think the General is proposing is more flexibility with AD careers. You have two very rigid systems competing against each other right now: AD retirement vs airline seniority. The current system only allows for one winner either the airlines or the AD military and the AD side is getting slaughtered.
If programs were available that would let you flow back and forth between the two then I think you would see a lot more guys staying on AD.You can argue that the function of the reserves is to allow this kind of flexibility but if the AD side wants to keep people they need to start becoming more innovative with their career progression and not just keep tossing money at the problem.
If programs were available that would let you flow back and forth between the two then I think you would see a lot more guys staying on AD.You can argue that the function of the reserves is to allow this kind of flexibility but if the AD side wants to keep people they need to start becoming more innovative with their career progression and not just keep tossing money at the problem.
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Lloyd Christmas....you guys don't get it.
This program was designed for folks who want to do things like start a family, finish a masters degree, care for a parent or child, etc. It isn't designed for someone to start a second career and then take advantage of a law that was designed to rightfully protect reservists who were being involuntarily recalled for your own convenience. Neither the military or the airlines exist for your convenience. Quite the opposite in fact.
What you are proposing is an affront to all the hard working guys who chose to either stay in and suck it up or do the reserve thing and try to balance that life for years.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
No employer in their right mind is going to hire you knowing that is your plan, to get a seniority number, a flow, and then take a 7 year break.
And the Air Force is panicking because they screwed the pooch and abused their junior officers for a decade with impunity. Now that the bill is on the table, they have alligator arms. Screw them and good for everyone voting with their feet. Anyone with a lick of common sense could have seen this coming 5-6 years ago. Any money or dual career stuff they put on the table now is too late. Sorry.
My advice....fish or cut bait. Either decide to stay in or get out and try to affiliate with a reserve unit. Plenty of guys have done it with helo time only. Any way you paint it or try to rationalize it, you are doing the wrong thing. Period.
This program was designed for folks who want to do things like start a family, finish a masters degree, care for a parent or child, etc. It isn't designed for someone to start a second career and then take advantage of a law that was designed to rightfully protect reservists who were being involuntarily recalled for your own convenience. Neither the military or the airlines exist for your convenience. Quite the opposite in fact.
What you are proposing is an affront to all the hard working guys who chose to either stay in and suck it up or do the reserve thing and try to balance that life for years.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
No employer in their right mind is going to hire you knowing that is your plan, to get a seniority number, a flow, and then take a 7 year break.
And the Air Force is panicking because they screwed the pooch and abused their junior officers for a decade with impunity. Now that the bill is on the table, they have alligator arms. Screw them and good for everyone voting with their feet. Anyone with a lick of common sense could have seen this coming 5-6 years ago. Any money or dual career stuff they put on the table now is too late. Sorry.
My advice....fish or cut bait. Either decide to stay in or get out and try to affiliate with a reserve unit. Plenty of guys have done it with helo time only. Any way you paint it or try to rationalize it, you are doing the wrong thing. Period.
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I don't know about other airlines, but Southwest called my last two COs and someone in charge of me from every aviation squadron I had been a part of as well as my department head from my unfortunate stint on the boat.
I don't know what envoy and the other regionals ask for in the way of proof of military service or what they do for reference checks as I have never worked for them.
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