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09-22-2016, 03:12 PM
#852
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 137
I do my best to stay out of the politics of all of this, but have to chime in on this one. Before you all go off half cocked with ideas of sick outs, and slowdown, and declarations of open time pickups stopping. You need to do some research on what unions can and cannot due legally. There is plenty of case law where unions have been sued by the company and lost with regards to these issues.
Unions CAN NOT: instigate, condone, participate in, etc etc etc anything that would appear to be a work slowdown event or a change in status. As such you will never see a union back any kind of of organized sickout. Nor can we come out and tell pilots to stop picking up time as that's a change in current status quo.
Finally, if any of these events do appear to happen. The union will be required to send out some pretty solid statements to stop doing it or a judge will slap us silly.
As far as what we can do legally. The Fall MEC meeting is in a few weeks. Expect all of that to be covered. Nothing in a union (any union) happens overnight.
Unions CAN NOT: instigate, condone, participate in, etc etc etc anything that would appear to be a work slowdown event or a change in status. As such you will never see a union back any kind of of organized sickout. Nor can we come out and tell pilots to stop picking up time as that's a change in current status quo.
Finally, if any of these events do appear to happen. The union will be required to send out some pretty solid statements to stop doing it or a judge will slap us silly.
As far as what we can do legally. The Fall MEC meeting is in a few weeks. Expect all of that to be covered. Nothing in a union (any union) happens overnight.
09-22-2016, 03:15 PM
#853
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
First off, it's not a high horse but pointing out the facts of why you can't do some of the things people are threatening to do. Do the research. AA, UA & Delta have all been sued and LOST over these items.
Second if you deal with legal status quo issues with regards to contract issues. None of what you listed in a change in contractual status quo. Call a rep and ask. Or if you don't believe them, call a contract lawyer and ask. Hell, I had to pay for a hotel when I was hired here, did you?
United use to make you pay for a hotel as a new hire. They no longer do that. Do you see United filing anything regarding that? No, because it's not a violation in anything.
For that matter go READ the contact.
Section 1.F (standard in all contracts, so don't go fringing it's a Mesa thing).
Management Rights
Except as expressly restricted by this Agreement, the Company retains all
authority and rights to manage and direct its pilot workforce. Such rights
include, without limitation, the right to hire; to establish, amend, suspend or revoke rules, policies and procedures; to determine qualifications for initial employment; to establish employee rules of conduct; to determine the means of providing service to its passengers, including the size, type and number of aircraft to be utilized in providing service; to determine the size and composition of the pilot workforce; to furlough and recall; to establish new routes, services, schedules, and areas of service; to determine what equipment will be utilized and allocated to particular routes; to discontinue all or any part of its operations; to transfer equipment from one base of operation to another base of operation; to determine where to perform all or any part of its operations; to determine whether to purchase additional aircraft or to lease, sell, or otherwise dispose of all or any part of its equipment; and to determine whether to merge, consolidate, sell or otherwise dispose of all or any part of its business.
Second if you deal with legal status quo issues with regards to contract issues. None of what you listed in a change in contractual status quo. Call a rep and ask. Or if you don't believe them, call a contract lawyer and ask. Hell, I had to pay for a hotel when I was hired here, did you?
United use to make you pay for a hotel as a new hire. They no longer do that. Do you see United filing anything regarding that? No, because it's not a violation in anything.
For that matter go READ the contact.
Section 1.F (standard in all contracts, so don't go fringing it's a Mesa thing).
Management Rights
Except as expressly restricted by this Agreement, the Company retains all
authority and rights to manage and direct its pilot workforce. Such rights
include, without limitation, the right to hire; to establish, amend, suspend or revoke rules, policies and procedures; to determine qualifications for initial employment; to establish employee rules of conduct; to determine the means of providing service to its passengers, including the size, type and number of aircraft to be utilized in providing service; to determine the size and composition of the pilot workforce; to furlough and recall; to establish new routes, services, schedules, and areas of service; to determine what equipment will be utilized and allocated to particular routes; to discontinue all or any part of its operations; to transfer equipment from one base of operation to another base of operation; to determine where to perform all or any part of its operations; to determine whether to purchase additional aircraft or to lease, sell, or otherwise dispose of all or any part of its equipment; and to determine whether to merge, consolidate, sell or otherwise dispose of all or any part of its business.
I've read the contract--nothing in the management rights section of any airline including this one allows for unilateral changes in compensation/bonus programs/etc..
Every "real" ALPA chapter I am aware of would have required an LOA for any of those programs. Every "real" ALPA chapter would have required an LOA for paid hotels/iPads for new hires/etc..
That's what a collective bargaining agent is for--that's the whole point of the section 6 status quo lock--because if either party were allowed to just change around whatever the heck they want, what's the point of even negotiating?
09-22-2016, 03:16 PM
#854
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Position: DFW CRJ CA
Posts: 340
There were a couple hinted at items, but not everything suggested falls into it. I was just cautioning before it blew out of control. We should be writing things up, that's our job. And after listing to more then one FA yesterday claim that we're not, one should be taking a closer look at how one handles FA requests............
09-23-2016, 04:21 AM
#855
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Mesa mgmt needs to take a page out of aag's play book and increase 1st year FO pay to at least 3rd year ($33). No need to even have any negotiations about it. After this then negotiations about ca pay increase and health care needs to be addressed. Without an increase in fo pay NOW Meas will loose to many pilots and may never recover.
09-23-2016, 04:44 AM
#856
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: Part 91 Global Express CA
Posts: 79
09-23-2016, 05:04 AM
#859
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Position: Part 91 Global Express CA
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09-23-2016, 05:29 AM
#860
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 145
In a capitalist Society you don't hire more people than you need or pay higher wages then you need to pay. To be clear I'm not taking sides with management I'm simply saying our particular management team feels they have ability to wait longer than any other Regional to increase pay and benefits before they ultimately have to make the move.
It's clear at this time that management has no interest increasing our pay which is why as others have said we need to show them with feet leaving the door that's unacceptable. It's actually become laughable the amount of money that we make compared to our competitors and to be clear I'm talking about other non wholly-owned competitors who share similar cost structure.
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