Mesa 3.0
09-15-2016, 10:18 AM
#641
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 298
I think this is the beginning of the end of Mesa. Don't see any way JO can pull this one out unless he's been lying to us about the money and he's willing to pony up some serious funds. The quick upgrades are gone. Insurance is astronomical. I see a buyout or merger in the future.
If the new TA doesn't have some serious pay raises and QOL improvements it will be voted down soundly just like the last one.
Just my opinion.
If the new TA doesn't have some serious pay raises and QOL improvements it will be voted down soundly just like the last one.
Just my opinion.
09-15-2016, 10:21 AM
#642
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: E-175 Captain
Posts: 83
[QUOTE=EjetTaxi;2203579]Completely agree... at this point all leverage is gone. We would have to see an order of 30+ jets to have people come... and that may not even do it. I'm speculating a merger as well or industry leading contract (I'm dreaming I know).[/QUOTE
We just have to keep spreading the word to our FOs to leave, and as soon as they leave, we will start leaving too. Peace out Mesa. It's been real
We just have to keep spreading the word to our FOs to leave, and as soon as they leave, we will start leaving too. Peace out Mesa. It's been real
09-15-2016, 11:09 AM
#643
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: ????
Posts: 579
I hope JO doesn't think that there will be those that can't get hired at any other regionals and they will come here. Or those that have a shady past or have washed out at other regionals. IMO, that would be recipe for disaster.
Honestly, I think Mesa is past the point of no return.
Last edited by squawkoff; 09-15-2016 at 11:24 AM.
09-15-2016, 12:16 PM
#644
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 580
I think this is the beginning of the end of Mesa. Don't see any way JO can pull this one out unless he's been lying to us about the money and he's willing to pony up some serious funds. The quick upgrades are gone. Insurance is astronomical. I see a buyout or merger in the future.
If the new TA doesn't have some serious pay raises and QOL improvements it will be voted down soundly just like the last one.
Just my opinion.
If the new TA doesn't have some serious pay raises and QOL improvements it will be voted down soundly just like the last one.
Just my opinion.
09-15-2016, 03:38 PM
#645
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
There are going to be no mergers in the regional sector. Why would they? Mergers are messy and it is easier to shut down and move planes around. All United has to do is place those E-jets with another carrier, place 20 CRJ 700's at another regional, and American to place all of the CRJ 900's at PSA, Envoy, or Piedmont. All of the current pilots at Mesa will lose their jobs and have to reappy at these other regionals. Why pay Captains at 15-20 year pay when you can just move the planes and pay at year one on up. If you have not been paying attention, that is exactly what has been happening in the regional industry. Mesa has no equity or cash to pay the pilots more. They will liquidate. Get your apps out now or you can continue to pretend to live in Happy Mesa world where everything will be okay because JO will make it all better. Keep dreaming on a buyout. Maybe you might get bought by Southwest. LOL
09-15-2016, 04:53 PM
#646
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 18
There are going to be no mergers in the regional sector. Why would they? Mergers are messy and it is easier to shut down and move planes around. All United has to do is place those E-jets with another carrier, place 20 CRJ 700's at another regional, and American to place all of the CRJ 900's at PSA, Envoy, or Piedmont. All of the current pilots at Mesa will lose their jobs and have to reappy at these other regionals. Why pay Captains at 15-20 year pay when you can just move the planes and pay at year one on up. If you have not been paying attention, that is exactly what has been happening in the regional industry. Mesa has no equity or cash to pay the pilots more. They will liquidate. Get your apps out now or you can continue to pretend to live in Happy Mesa world where everything will be okay because JO will make it all better. Keep dreaming on a buyout. Maybe you might get bought by Southwest. LOL
09-15-2016, 05:11 PM
#647
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Except for those 30 ejets that UA owns. And Mesa owns one I believe, and it's a -200. Most of the ones Mesa "owns" are owned by leasing companies and banks. Mesa doesn't have a whole lot of equity in aircraft. They could easily be shifted to another carrier or parked if contracts were cut due to lack of staffing.
09-15-2016, 06:14 PM
#648
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
Ha! They only own a CRJ 200. N407SW and what is that worth? That thing has over 50K cycles and they had to spend over a million just to keep it running.
So how does that matter with staffing them or fix the pay issue? Crickets...
Mesa does not have any money or liquidity. They just went through bankruptcy. They own nothing. The banks own everything.
You my friend need to do some homework.
So how does that matter with staffing them or fix the pay issue? Crickets...
Mesa does not have any money or liquidity. They just went through bankruptcy. They own nothing. The banks own everything.
You my friend need to do some homework.
Last edited by wt932051; 09-15-2016 at 06:25 PM.
09-15-2016, 07:03 PM
#649
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Joined APC: May 2014
Position: CFI
Posts: 93
The banks own Mesa's fleet.
Without pilots, Mesa can sublease the 170s to Skywest who does have pilots, and CRJs to Envoy who can attract new hires with over 2X Mesa's pay scale.
When I started at Mesa almost 2 years ago, Mesa was slightly behind the other regionals in pay. Today they are paying half of what the market rate is.
Without pilots, Mesa can sublease the 170s to Skywest who does have pilots, and CRJs to Envoy who can attract new hires with over 2X Mesa's pay scale.
When I started at Mesa almost 2 years ago, Mesa was slightly behind the other regionals in pay. Today they are paying half of what the market rate is.
09-15-2016, 08:15 PM
#650
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
No thoughts on the MEC email today?
It feels like they're finally taking a true hard line against management. Some takeaways...
Hard line.
A positive response is promising. Of course it's possible management is only saying what the MEC wants to hear with no intention of doing anything, but it's better than "Management appeared to have no intention of working with us."
Picketing? Strike vote?
Okay, here's the part of substance. Republic has set a precedent for a non-WO to renegotiate the terms of their CPA's to address pilot compensation. I didn't think it could be done until they did it, and this is about the only thing short of merging that might pull Mesa back to solvency.
I love this implication. They need to hammer that in over and over during negotiations.
It feels like they're finally taking a true hard line against management. Some takeaways...
Combined with flow guarantees to AA, these lucrative new agreements will no doubt attract scores of new pilots to these airlines at the expense of groups like Mesa...
Your MEC leaders have met with senior management and reiterated in no uncertain terms that this pilot group has fallen so far behind the industry that we need a contract now that includes significant improvements. We indicated that the only way for this to transpire is to increase the pace of negotiations by meeting more frequently with management negotiators who are focused on this project and have the authority to conclude an agreement.
Your MEC leaders have met with senior management and reiterated in no uncertain terms that this pilot group has fallen so far behind the industry that we need a contract now that includes significant improvements. We indicated that the only way for this to transpire is to increase the pace of negotiations by meeting more frequently with management negotiators who are focused on this project and have the authority to conclude an agreement.
Management’s response was positive, and they did provide us an additional day of negotiations this month and have committed to more time in the upcoming months. However, the real test will come during these talks as Mesa management cannot afford to sit back and watch our pilots make lateral moves to other FFD carriers offering better compensation and advancement opportunities.
If management fails to recognize that the AAG improvements are a game changer in the FFD industry after our next couple of negotiating sessions, we will know management’s views on our value to MAG and will promptly advise you accordingly. We will also consider other options for ensuring that this pilot group’s sentiments are heard by our management team, the mainlines we fly for, and our airline’s key stakeholders.
We need to hear from our management what they’re doing to bring our airline into this cycle of pilot prosperity. Clearly, the mainlines have set a new bar for what they are willing to pay for pilot labor. We need to be a part of this trend.
We call on our management to respond to this newly competitive pilot marketplace by opening talks with AA and United to seek similar compensation to what we’re seeing from our peers at AA (PSA/ENV) and United (Republic).
We call on our management to respond to this newly competitive pilot marketplace by opening talks with AA and United to seek similar compensation to what we’re seeing from our peers at AA (PSA/ENV) and United (Republic).
If they are unable to modify their CPAs to reflect the new hiring reality, we need to know now, so that we can make our own career decisions.
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