Mesa 3.0
06-06-2019, 10:48 PM
#6301
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
If the majors ain't calling and you decide to stay at Mesa for anything but a major, well... That's on you. Own it, but don't complain about it. You can go to other places for a much better QOL, pay, and treatment than what JO offers, if that's what your after. If you're comfortable where you are currently then who cares?
Why are so many Mesa pilots with competitive resumes being ignored by majors? Why isn't anything being done about the scam that is our UA CPP? Going to another regional - for many of us - means a commute where it wasn't necessary while at Mesa.
We should all be demanding answers.
We are as competitive as any other group of regional pilots when it comes to being selected by a major.
There's a word for this.
Theft
06-07-2019, 04:03 AM
#6302
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: CRJ9 CA
Posts: 4,083
You missed the entire point.
Why are so many Mesa pilots with competitive resumes being ignored by majors? Why isn't anything being done about the scam that is our UA CPP? Going to another regional - for many of us - means a commute where it wasn't necessary while at Mesa.
We should all be demanding answers.
We are as competitive as any other group of regional pilots when it comes to being selected by a major.
There's a word for this.
Theft
Why are so many Mesa pilots with competitive resumes being ignored by majors? Why isn't anything being done about the scam that is our UA CPP? Going to another regional - for many of us - means a commute where it wasn't necessary while at Mesa.
We should all be demanding answers.
We are as competitive as any other group of regional pilots when it comes to being selected by a major.
There's a word for this.
Theft
Age. There’s blatant age discrimination. Degree. Recency of training event.
AMERICAN - flow or no go.
United - CPP - and we have had people go there.
Delta - they have their flow like program, yet we have had pilots go there.
We have pilots being picked up by Frontier, Spirit, Southwest and all the cargo outfits. I know people who have gone or are going to these first hand.
This has zero to do with working for Mesa. Where’s the theft?
06-07-2019, 06:39 AM
#6303
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2018
Position: Line holder
Posts: 513
Easy to explain. Some folks don’t take the bonus. This way they can leave anytime they want with no strings. I know two Mesa new hires who did that earlier this year when CRJ training was delayed. They’re both on the line with other companies now.
06-07-2019, 07:23 AM
#6304
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
Seriously? Theft? By whom?
Age. There’s blatant age discrimination. Degree. Recency of training event.
AMERICAN - flow or no go.
United - CPP - and we have had people go there.
Delta - they have their flow like program, yet we have had pilots go there.
We have pilots being picked up by Frontier, Spirit, Southwest and all the cargo outfits. I know people who have gone or are going to these first hand.
This has zero to do with working for Mesa. Where’s the theft?
Age. There’s blatant age discrimination. Degree. Recency of training event.
AMERICAN - flow or no go.
United - CPP - and we have had people go there.
Delta - they have their flow like program, yet we have had pilots go there.
We have pilots being picked up by Frontier, Spirit, Southwest and all the cargo outfits. I know people who have gone or are going to these first hand.
This has zero to do with working for Mesa. Where’s the theft?
I speak to qualified pilots daily (degree, PIC hours, community service, clean records, etc) - they've been applying for years and can't get a returned phone call.
CPP is a joke - and trying to argue otherwise is foolish.
No AA flow from Mesa? Why?
How many did DL take from Mesa? .001%?
FeDex? UPS?
Yes - it's theft. Especially when you compare our group to other regional groups.
06-07-2019, 07:38 AM
#6305
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: CRJ9 CA
Posts: 4,083
No AA Flow because Mesa is not wholly owned. No theft there.
The CPP is the same joke at every regional. It’s better than nothing. No theft there.
I don’t have hard stats - and I doubt anyone does - as to hiring stats by the majors.
Ups - I flew with a guy hired by them last week.
FedEx - don’t know if any.
There’s still no theft. Who’s doing the stealing?
I’ve flown with many paper qualified guys. Talk to them for 5 minutes and their bitterness and victimhood is what’s killing them. But I don’t have any stats on that either.
The CPP is the same joke at every regional. It’s better than nothing. No theft there.
I don’t have hard stats - and I doubt anyone does - as to hiring stats by the majors.
Ups - I flew with a guy hired by them last week.
FedEx - don’t know if any.
There’s still no theft. Who’s doing the stealing?
I’ve flown with many paper qualified guys. Talk to them for 5 minutes and their bitterness and victimhood is what’s killing them. But I don’t have any stats on that either.
Mesa pilots - by the numbers - are hired by the companies you mentioned far less than by other regionals.
I speak to qualified pilots daily (degree, PIC hours, community service, clean records, etc) - they've been applying for years and can't get a returned phone call.
CPP is a joke - and trying to argue otherwise is foolish.
No AA flow from Mesa? Why?
How many did DL take from Mesa? .001%?
FeDex? UPS?
Yes - it's theft. Especially when you compare our group to other regional groups.
I speak to qualified pilots daily (degree, PIC hours, community service, clean records, etc) - they've been applying for years and can't get a returned phone call.
CPP is a joke - and trying to argue otherwise is foolish.
No AA flow from Mesa? Why?
How many did DL take from Mesa? .001%?
FeDex? UPS?
Yes - it's theft. Especially when you compare our group to other regional groups.
06-07-2019, 10:47 AM
#6306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
No AA Flow because Mesa is not wholly owned. No theft there.
The CPP is the same joke at every regional. It’s better than nothing. No theft there.
I don’t have hard stats - and I doubt anyone does - as to hiring stats by the majors.
Ups - I flew with a guy hired by them last week.
FedEx - don’t know if any.
There’s still no theft. Who’s doing the stealing?
I’ve flown with many paper qualified guys. Talk to them for 5 minutes and their bitterness and victimhood is what’s killing them. But I don’t have any stats on that either.
The CPP is the same joke at every regional. It’s better than nothing. No theft there.
I don’t have hard stats - and I doubt anyone does - as to hiring stats by the majors.
Ups - I flew with a guy hired by them last week.
FedEx - don’t know if any.
There’s still no theft. Who’s doing the stealing?
I’ve flown with many paper qualified guys. Talk to them for 5 minutes and their bitterness and victimhood is what’s killing them. But I don’t have any stats on that either.
Great.
Another one of managements' w*t dreams.
It's people like you that keep the rest of us from having nice things
06-07-2019, 10:56 AM
#6307
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
You missed the entire point.
Why are so many Mesa pilots with competitive resumes being ignored by majors? Why isn't anything being done about the scam that is our UA CPP? Going to another regional - for many of us - means a commute where it wasn't necessary while at Mesa.
We should all be demanding answers.
We are as competitive as any other group of regional pilots when it comes to being selected by a major.
There's a word for this.
Theft
Why are so many Mesa pilots with competitive resumes being ignored by majors? Why isn't anything being done about the scam that is our UA CPP? Going to another regional - for many of us - means a commute where it wasn't necessary while at Mesa.
We should all be demanding answers.
We are as competitive as any other group of regional pilots when it comes to being selected by a major.
There's a word for this.
Theft
06-08-2019, 01:49 AM
#6308
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: CRJ9 CA
Posts: 4,083
I’m not doing anything to you. I’m asking you to define this theft. Where is it? Who’s stealing from you? I didn’t defend ANYTHING. I’m giving you an opportunity to explain your point.
06-08-2019, 05:39 AM
#6309
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 167
No AA Flow because Mesa is not wholly owned. No theft there.
The CPP is the same joke at every regional. It’s better than nothing. No theft there.
I don’t have hard stats - and I doubt anyone does - as to hiring stats by the majors.
Ups - I flew with a guy hired by them last week.
FedEx - don’t know if any.
There’s still no theft. Who’s doing the stealing?
I’ve flown with many paper qualified guys. Talk to them for 5 minutes and their bitterness and victimhood is what’s killing them. But I don’t have any stats on that either.
The CPP is the same joke at every regional. It’s better than nothing. No theft there.
I don’t have hard stats - and I doubt anyone does - as to hiring stats by the majors.
Ups - I flew with a guy hired by them last week.
FedEx - don’t know if any.
There’s still no theft. Who’s doing the stealing?
I’ve flown with many paper qualified guys. Talk to them for 5 minutes and their bitterness and victimhood is what’s killing them. But I don’t have any stats on that either.
06-08-2019, 07:28 AM
#6310
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,773
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