Mesa 3.0
03-14-2018, 11:45 AM
#5571
Puppet on a String
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 93
>>Agreed, the Training Department is in complete shambles, and the letter from the COO confirms it...but says nothing about how it will be fixed with anything tangible or specific. Cute, buzz-words from MBA School won't fix the deep-rooted, festering problems and self-inflicted wounds. Much like an alcoholic initially won't admit they have a problem, Mesa continues the same, arrogance-based, pilot-hating, blame-everybody-else approach.<<
The key to leadership is setting vague goals that are a combination of jargon and wishful thinking.
The key to leadership is setting vague goals that are a combination of jargon and wishful thinking.
03-14-2018, 12:44 PM
#5572
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
>>Agreed, the Training Department is in complete shambles, and the letter from the COO confirms it...but says nothing about how it will be fixed with anything tangible or specific. Cute, buzz-words from MBA School won't fix the deep-rooted, festering problems and self-inflicted wounds. Much like an alcoholic initially won't admit they have a problem, Mesa continues the same, arrogance-based, pilot-hating, blame-everybody-else approach.<<
The key to leadership is setting vague goals that are a combination of jargon and wishful thinking.
The key to leadership is setting vague goals that are a combination of jargon and wishful thinking.
The only way to meet those goals is to stop being a bottom feeder on pay and QOL for instructors, and resurrect a decent training program. To do that, besides fixing the pay, you have to start with getting rid of the bad apples and lazy instructors and those who put up with them, like the Ejet Chief Instructor.....
03-14-2018, 01:04 PM
#5573
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 22
Spot on - they training department needs to be re-structured, standardized, and the lazy, bad apples told to hit the road.
It defies logic candidates from October, November, and December (and some earlier) are still milling around Phoenix with no direction, no timetable, and no flying. They were scammed into accepting the position with Mesa so Mesa could use them as pawns when telling United how many pilots are in the “pipeline”. Like a Roach Motel, you can check in but you can’t check out.
Speaking of lazy, several of the January classes routinely reported training deficiencies ranging from insufficient time spent, a scheduled 6 or 8 hour session stopping after 2.5 or 3 hours (without having covered the material), deficient FPT training due to a lack of computers, FPT instructors leaving their class unattended for hours at a time and also calling it quits early, no standardization among instructors (the “do it my way and you’ll pass” routine), no standards for completion, and an instructional method of merely reading PowerPoint slides verbatim. A few noted they’re still waiting for a syllabus or training Footprint and have yet to see one.
It seems all haphazard and a management style of running from crisis to crisis, with short-term, band-aid solutions touted as the catch all. In fact, I heard there was yet another apologetic, but “we’re working to get our act together” email, this one from the Director of Recruitment, again full of cute, feel-good, self-adulation slogans, but nothing of substance.
I feel sorry for the poor pilots who have not flown, not finished training, not done much of anything, all relying on promises which have not, cannot, and will never come to fruition.
It defies logic candidates from October, November, and December (and some earlier) are still milling around Phoenix with no direction, no timetable, and no flying. They were scammed into accepting the position with Mesa so Mesa could use them as pawns when telling United how many pilots are in the “pipeline”. Like a Roach Motel, you can check in but you can’t check out.
Speaking of lazy, several of the January classes routinely reported training deficiencies ranging from insufficient time spent, a scheduled 6 or 8 hour session stopping after 2.5 or 3 hours (without having covered the material), deficient FPT training due to a lack of computers, FPT instructors leaving their class unattended for hours at a time and also calling it quits early, no standardization among instructors (the “do it my way and you’ll pass” routine), no standards for completion, and an instructional method of merely reading PowerPoint slides verbatim. A few noted they’re still waiting for a syllabus or training Footprint and have yet to see one.
It seems all haphazard and a management style of running from crisis to crisis, with short-term, band-aid solutions touted as the catch all. In fact, I heard there was yet another apologetic, but “we’re working to get our act together” email, this one from the Director of Recruitment, again full of cute, feel-good, self-adulation slogans, but nothing of substance.
I feel sorry for the poor pilots who have not flown, not finished training, not done much of anything, all relying on promises which have not, cannot, and will never come to fruition.
03-18-2018, 07:02 AM
#5576
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
No. It comes from pigheadness, cheapskateiness, and lack of planning. They had an excellent ejet training program before August last year.
03-18-2018, 07:39 AM
#5577
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Retired
Posts: 63
Yes, the complete lack of planning is evident and we're hearing about pilots in the training program simply leaving Phoenix and moving on to other Regionals. Without a schedule, they are in-limbo and it was frustrating.
Frankly, offering these pilots jobs, many of whom left other, and lucrative non-airline flying employment or even non-pilot jobs, without a definitive and reasonably reliable plan and schedule constitutes fraud at worst, deceit at best. Pilot recruits starting in September and October should be on the line now, not sitting in Phoenix "waiting for the email" advising them to wait another 3-4 weeks for Mesa to get their act together, shuffle personnel again and again, and get back to them (as was sent to them last week).
Mesa knew what was arriving and the level of resources needed to process them start-to-finish, but utterly failed to plan for it, failed to schedule it, failed to monitor it, failed to execute any sort of definitive program; and, incredibly, fails to communicate anything to those impacted, other than buzz-word-filled, self-serving emails containing no specifics, just excuses. Sending dishonest emails to your employees is not the solution.
Obviously, Mesa can't deliver on any of the promises made to these pilot recruits and has no workable training protocol, footprint, or design and what they do have is seriously deficient. While they may have had decent e-Jet training pre-August 2017, it's gone and the sooner Mesa realizes the fault lies in their own mirror, the sooner it may be corrected. However, given their recent personnel shuffling (which brought in nobody "new"), solving this may be a far-fetched fantasy - replacing incompetent management with equally incompetent management beholden to the same within won't work.
Frankly, offering these pilots jobs, many of whom left other, and lucrative non-airline flying employment or even non-pilot jobs, without a definitive and reasonably reliable plan and schedule constitutes fraud at worst, deceit at best. Pilot recruits starting in September and October should be on the line now, not sitting in Phoenix "waiting for the email" advising them to wait another 3-4 weeks for Mesa to get their act together, shuffle personnel again and again, and get back to them (as was sent to them last week).
Mesa knew what was arriving and the level of resources needed to process them start-to-finish, but utterly failed to plan for it, failed to schedule it, failed to monitor it, failed to execute any sort of definitive program; and, incredibly, fails to communicate anything to those impacted, other than buzz-word-filled, self-serving emails containing no specifics, just excuses. Sending dishonest emails to your employees is not the solution.
Obviously, Mesa can't deliver on any of the promises made to these pilot recruits and has no workable training protocol, footprint, or design and what they do have is seriously deficient. While they may have had decent e-Jet training pre-August 2017, it's gone and the sooner Mesa realizes the fault lies in their own mirror, the sooner it may be corrected. However, given their recent personnel shuffling (which brought in nobody "new"), solving this may be a far-fetched fantasy - replacing incompetent management with equally incompetent management beholden to the same within won't work.
03-18-2018, 10:18 AM
#5578
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
Yes, the complete lack of planning is evident and we're hearing about pilots in the training program simply leaving Phoenix and moving on to other Regionals. Without a schedule, they are in-limbo and it was frustrating.
Frankly, offering these pilots jobs, many of whom left other, and lucrative non-airline flying employment or even non-pilot jobs, without a definitive and reasonably reliable plan and schedule constitutes fraud at worst, deceit at best. Pilot recruits starting in September and October should be on the line now, not sitting in Phoenix "waiting for the email" advising them to wait another 3-4 weeks for Mesa to get their act together, shuffle personnel again and again, and get back to them (as was sent to them last week).
Mesa knew what was arriving and the level of resources needed to process them start-to-finish, but utterly failed to plan for it, failed to schedule it, failed to monitor it, failed to execute any sort of definitive program; and, incredibly, fails to communicate anything to those impacted, other than buzz-word-filled, self-serving emails containing no specifics, just excuses. Sending dishonest emails to your employees is not the solution.
Obviously, Mesa can't deliver on any of the promises made to these pilot recruits and has no workable training protocol, footprint, or design and what they do have is seriously deficient. While they may have had decent e-Jet training pre-August 2017, it's gone and the sooner Mesa realizes the fault lies in their own mirror, the sooner it may be corrected. However, given their recent personnel shuffling (which brought in nobody "new"), solving this may be a far-fetched fantasy - replacing incompetent management with equally incompetent management beholden to the same within won't work.
Frankly, offering these pilots jobs, many of whom left other, and lucrative non-airline flying employment or even non-pilot jobs, without a definitive and reasonably reliable plan and schedule constitutes fraud at worst, deceit at best. Pilot recruits starting in September and October should be on the line now, not sitting in Phoenix "waiting for the email" advising them to wait another 3-4 weeks for Mesa to get their act together, shuffle personnel again and again, and get back to them (as was sent to them last week).
Mesa knew what was arriving and the level of resources needed to process them start-to-finish, but utterly failed to plan for it, failed to schedule it, failed to monitor it, failed to execute any sort of definitive program; and, incredibly, fails to communicate anything to those impacted, other than buzz-word-filled, self-serving emails containing no specifics, just excuses. Sending dishonest emails to your employees is not the solution.
Obviously, Mesa can't deliver on any of the promises made to these pilot recruits and has no workable training protocol, footprint, or design and what they do have is seriously deficient. While they may have had decent e-Jet training pre-August 2017, it's gone and the sooner Mesa realizes the fault lies in their own mirror, the sooner it may be corrected. However, given their recent personnel shuffling (which brought in nobody "new"), solving this may be a far-fetched fantasy - replacing incompetent management with equally incompetent management beholden to the same within won't work.
03-19-2018, 04:38 AM
#5579
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Retired
Posts: 63
Yes, they may be "trickling to the line", but I hear it's insufficient to maintain even the status quo, several E-Jets remain parked, flying hours are decreasing, pilot recruits are simply leaving Phoenix, and classes are being cancelled because of lack of new hires.
Mesa seems to still be operating under the same playbook, only with a musical-chair approach to training department personnel. Much like a football team can bring in the best players, with a rotten playbook they will still lose. Mesa is the same. They continue the same methodology which got them into this mess which only accelerates the decline.
Yes, employee terminations are in order but with an overbearing, "we know best" mentality of management, nothing will fix the self-inflicted wounds...
...except a complete re-structure of the recruiting, training, and evaluation departments, the termination of everybody employed therein, and bringing in outside personnel with logistic, finance, personnel, and operational aviation experience, not consultants and not inbred Mesa personnel who are married to a failed playbook.
Mesa seems to still be operating under the same playbook, only with a musical-chair approach to training department personnel. Much like a football team can bring in the best players, with a rotten playbook they will still lose. Mesa is the same. They continue the same methodology which got them into this mess which only accelerates the decline.
Yes, employee terminations are in order but with an overbearing, "we know best" mentality of management, nothing will fix the self-inflicted wounds...
...except a complete re-structure of the recruiting, training, and evaluation departments, the termination of everybody employed therein, and bringing in outside personnel with logistic, finance, personnel, and operational aviation experience, not consultants and not inbred Mesa personnel who are married to a failed playbook.
03-19-2018, 05:36 AM
#5580
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
Yes, they may be "trickling to the line", but I hear it's insufficient to maintain even the status quo, several E-Jets remain parked, flying hours are decreasing, pilot recruits are simply leaving Phoenix, and classes are being cancelled because of lack of new hires.
Mesa seems to still be operating under the same playbook, only with a musical-chair approach to training department personnel. Much like a football team can bring in the best players, with a rotten playbook they will still lose. Mesa is the same. They continue the same methodology which got them into this mess which only accelerates the decline.
Yes, employee terminations are in order but with an overbearing, "we know best" mentality of management, nothing will fix the self-inflicted wounds...
...except a complete re-structure of the recruiting, training, and evaluation departments, the termination of everybody employed therein, and bringing in outside personnel with logistic, finance, personnel, and operational aviation experience, not consultants and not inbred Mesa personnel who are married to a failed playbook.
Mesa seems to still be operating under the same playbook, only with a musical-chair approach to training department personnel. Much like a football team can bring in the best players, with a rotten playbook they will still lose. Mesa is the same. They continue the same methodology which got them into this mess which only accelerates the decline.
Yes, employee terminations are in order but with an overbearing, "we know best" mentality of management, nothing will fix the self-inflicted wounds...
...except a complete re-structure of the recruiting, training, and evaluation departments, the termination of everybody employed therein, and bringing in outside personnel with logistic, finance, personnel, and operational aviation experience, not consultants and not inbred Mesa personnel who are married to a failed playbook.
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