Originally Posted by calmwinds

That’s good..... more flying is better...... when one of the 6 Ejets come back to the line is even better......

Originally Posted by MagPBS

That 6 isn’t really accurate.

360 or whatever the number on that last plane is can’t be flown. It’s over United scope. That’s why it’s in the shape it is.

And they only pulled down 4 ac last month.

Originally Posted by calmwinds

Okay. The rumor was 6 plus 1 (360). And, the rumor was the 6 were headed to Republic.

Originally Posted by MagPBS

Key word there is RUMOR.

Originally Posted by calmwinds

The current captains are more junior than 24 months. I am pointing to the March award and its timeframe for upgrades.

In a few months, what FO is really going to care if a junior CA was awarded at 23 or 24 months, if the upgrades disappear or slow down significantly?

The rumors out there of losing ships are killing morale. FO’s are looking to jump ship to Republic for IAH - even though Republic’s upgrades in IAH are 5+ years. The 5+ years made the decision for me and I am not even considering Republic any longer. I will sink or swim here until I have my 1,000 121 time.

Originally Posted by P Owed Captain

Anybody else besides me feel annoyed that Mesa wants to complain about being short on pilots, and yet they'll waste our time by throwing together a non-productive trip such as the ones I'm seeing in PBS where you sit around in the freezing cold of YEG for 36 hours or so?

Originally Posted by SiouxFlyer89

Just a realization: For those pilots at Mesa who are entering with 0 hours 121 AND chose the E175 the upgrade time will be about the same for a considerable amount of time (~2 years from DOH). *This does not apply to someone who comes to Mesa with 121 time*

For those in IOE now there are about 270 pilots between the guy on IOE and the most JR E175 captain. With training being 8+ months to the line for these guys and attrition it could be likely that theyre seniority may be able to hold captain prior to them meeting the flight experience requirements.

For those who came to Mesa with 121 time they may be able to upgrade sooner than expected when the first officers above them are simply not eligible to make the bid to the left seat.

Originally Posted by SiouxFlyer89

Just a realization: For those pilots at Mesa who are entering with 0 hours 121 AND chose the E175 the upgrade time will be about the same for a considerable amount of time (~2 years from DOH). *This does not apply to someone who comes to Mesa with 121 time*

For those in IOE now there are about 270 pilots between the guy on IOE and the most JR E175 captain. With training being 8+ months to the line for these guys and attrition it could be likely that theyre seniority may be able to hold captain prior to them meeting the flight experience requirements.

For those who came to Mesa with 121 time they may be able to upgrade sooner than expected when the first officers above them are simply not eligible to make the bid to the left seat.

Originally Posted by PerryPilot39

Agreed, the Training Department is in complete shambles, and the letter from the COO confirms it...but says nothing about how it will be fixed with anything tangible or specific. Cute, buzz-words from MBA School won't fix the deep-rooted, festering problems and self-inflicted wounds. Much like an alcoholic initially won't admit they have a problem, Mesa continues the same, arrogance-based, pilot-hating, blame-everybody-else approach.

By way of example, the Training Department (E-Jet):

* Has had to send three (3) emails to pilots in the Pipeline to ascertain where/when they were in the pipeline, despite the record-keeping requirements an FAA-mandated obligation of Mesa;

* Has not/never supplied a Training Syllabus or Footprint to any of the pilots within the Pipeline, even though many have asked repeatedly, and even though this is another FAA-mandated requirement of a Part 121 Training Department;

* Has not/never supplied Completion Standards (similar to the PTS/ACS) to any of the pilots within the Pipeline, but evaluating them on a moving-target of inconsistent and haphazardly-applied opinions, which vary by Instructor, in clear violation of any FAA Training-based Regulations;

* Routinely schedules training sessions, class time, etc. spanning 6-8 hours but curtails it at the 2-3 hour mark, which fails to supply adequate instruction but fails to meet any standards of time-protocol;

* Haphazardly schedules events out-of-sequence, this forcing pilots in the Pipeline to: a) take 2-3 oral exams because of the 60-day rule; b) conduct "observations" before ground, FPT training is completed; and, c) leaves already-completed ground-FPT-trained pilots hanging for weeks/months at a time with no schedule, no study protocol, and no program to keep them "current" with knowledge. You don't simply tell "go home and study, and wait for the email";

* Five (5) to seven (7) months from DOH to IOE is egregious and has no comparison in the industry - The delay causes these pilots serious financial problems as they struggle to live in Phoenix AND support their family back home on the guaranteed, but minimum wage, and without the end-of-IOE-bonus [which is now being used to simply pay off their credit cards racked up while in training]. It's fraud, pure-and-simple;

* Routinely refuses to answer emails about scheduling, scheduling events, and SIM time, thus forcing pilots in the pipeline to just hang around Phoenix - come on, Mesa knows the SIM time it's purchased well in-advance, so communicate;

* Uses Instructors who have never flown the E-Jet and, in fact, haven't flown anything in decades ~ yes, they are nice guys and book-smart, but supply no insight into practical reality;

* There is no standardization among Instructors;

In short, the E-Jet Training Program is a complete fail and possibly illegal under FAR 121. Sooner than later, United will comprehend Mesa cannot honor their flying commitment and it was because of Mesa's own negligence, lack-of-planning, and arrogance. The FAA will learn Mesa simply can't train pilots in accord with the Regulations. The competition sharks have already smelled blood in the water...

...we all know how this story ends.