Mesa 3.0
07-30-2017, 02:54 PM
#4861
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well, lets start at the new hire pay, a whopping $600 a week is a little on the low side I'd day. However once you hit the line in that heavy metal at least you're making substantially less than every other cargo 767/747 operator, if I'm not mistaken I believe the Fo scale tops out at second year rates for other cargo carriers. That's still decent money but I feel like you're just selling yourself short. And I won't even get into the retirement funds and contributions, or lack there of. I owe it to myself to try to make it to a top tier place which will eventually happen once we get a flow going.
If your criteria for being a bottom tier company is simply not being one of the big five, so be it.
Hoping for a flow through is nothing more than a carrot on a stick.
07-30-2017, 11:05 PM
#4862
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I agree with this. Alpa is to blame for the minors and major mentality that has brainwashed most pilots and why this joke of an offer at Mesa was passed. It never made any sense to me why as a new hire airline pilot I was forced to make 25 an hour while I was flying a jet as sophisticated as in the majors while carrying about 200 total passengers a day. Why?? Because back in 1970 tprops were regionals and somehow that correlates to today?? It's complete stupidity but we've put up with it. We do the same exact thing as the guy making 200k, there's nothing regional about it.
07-31-2017, 05:39 AM
#4863
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: Part 91 Global Express CA
Posts: 79
“I owe it to myself to try to make it to a top tier place which will eventually happen once we get a flow going.”
What flow? What top tier place is Mesa working on a flow with? Just wondering because when I was at Mesa they and Alpa said that a flow was not a priority.
In regards to K4; isn’t the 1st year FO pay equivalent to 10-11 year Mesa CA pay, with better perdiem, healthcare, and no jump seating to work.
I personally can understand Mesa pilots jumping over to K4, especially if you commute.
What flow? What top tier place is Mesa working on a flow with? Just wondering because when I was at Mesa they and Alpa said that a flow was not a priority.
In regards to K4; isn’t the 1st year FO pay equivalent to 10-11 year Mesa CA pay, with better perdiem, healthcare, and no jump seating to work.
I personally can understand Mesa pilots jumping over to K4, especially if you commute.
07-31-2017, 07:05 AM
#4864
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If you want a flow go to Piedmont. We had a Mesa pilot join 6 months ago and he is in upgrade class and will flow in 4 years or less.
If it took 6 years for Mesa to get a contract that isn't even top tier I highly doubt a flow is right around the corner.
K4 shows career progression and with TPIC time and a heavy type it's what the Majors look for.
If it took 6 years for Mesa to get a contract that isn't even top tier I highly doubt a flow is right around the corner.
K4 shows career progression and with TPIC time and a heavy type it's what the Majors look for.
08-01-2017, 01:20 PM
#4865
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“I owe it to myself to try to make it to a top tier place which will eventually happen once we get a flow going.”
What flow? What top tier place is Mesa working on a flow with? Just wondering because when I was at Mesa they and Alpa said that a flow was not a priority.
In regards to K4; isn’t the 1st year FO pay equivalent to 10-11 year Mesa CA pay, with better perdiem, healthcare, and no jump seating to work.
I personally can understand Mesa pilots jumping over to K4, especially if you commute.
What flow? What top tier place is Mesa working on a flow with? Just wondering because when I was at Mesa they and Alpa said that a flow was not a priority.
In regards to K4; isn’t the 1st year FO pay equivalent to 10-11 year Mesa CA pay, with better perdiem, healthcare, and no jump seating to work.
I personally can understand Mesa pilots jumping over to K4, especially if you commute.
Flow is nothing but a dream. It will never happen unless Mesa's union allows the company to segregate your workforce. United will not give a flow or interview program to any pilot group unless that specific group is strictly providing support to ONLY United. Hence why we do not have anything at Republic.
08-02-2017, 01:27 PM
#4866
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Position: Captain
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FYI
American could buy Mesa and possible do a flow if they desire.
Here is why:
They already own 25 percent through the Usair 2010 Mesa BK exit.
Buy up to 51% from the other 3 creditors and cash out with an IPO.
Embraer (aircraft deal 145s) , Bombardier ( aircraft deal 700/900) and US bank (engines deal).
All three got a piece from losing their a-- during MAGs bankruptcy.
Usair had around 16 percent but got 25 to extend the contract
Facts
However still try to get on with DL UAL AMR SWA Fedex UPS JB Etc
American could buy Mesa and possible do a flow if they desire.
Here is why:
They already own 25 percent through the Usair 2010 Mesa BK exit.
Buy up to 51% from the other 3 creditors and cash out with an IPO.
Embraer (aircraft deal 145s) , Bombardier ( aircraft deal 700/900) and US bank (engines deal).
All three got a piece from losing their a-- during MAGs bankruptcy.
Usair had around 16 percent but got 25 to extend the contract
Facts
However still try to get on with DL UAL AMR SWA Fedex UPS JB Etc
08-02-2017, 02:30 PM
#4867
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Posts: 579
FYI
American could buy Mesa and possible do a flow if they desire.
Here is why:
They already own 25 percent through the Usair 2010 Mesa BK exit.
Buy up to 51% from the other 3 creditors and cash out with an IPO.
Embraer (aircraft deal 145s) , Bombardier ( aircraft deal 700/900) and US bank (engines deal).
All three got a piece from losing their a-- during MAGs bankruptcy.
Usair had around 16 percent but got 25 to extend the contract
Facts
However still try to get on with DL UAL AMR SWA Fedex UPS JB Etc
American could buy Mesa and possible do a flow if they desire.
Here is why:
They already own 25 percent through the Usair 2010 Mesa BK exit.
Buy up to 51% from the other 3 creditors and cash out with an IPO.
Embraer (aircraft deal 145s) , Bombardier ( aircraft deal 700/900) and US bank (engines deal).
All three got a piece from losing their a-- during MAGs bankruptcy.
Usair had around 16 percent but got 25 to extend the contract
Facts
However still try to get on with DL UAL AMR SWA Fedex UPS JB Etc
08-02-2017, 09:03 PM
#4868
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American could just as easily order more Ejets, which the flying public prefer over those crappy CRJ's, and place them with another regional leaving the clapped out CRJ's for Mesa to deal with.
And secondly, you do realize that the last part of your statement is already happening with Republic right? American, United and Delta collectively own ~65% of our company and they all have to work together.
08-03-2017, 12:50 AM
#4869
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Never going to happen. Without a certificate to operate them on, they would be useless to AAG.
American could just as easily order more Ejets, which the flying public prefer over those crappy CRJ's, and place them with another regional leaving the clapped out CRJ's for Mesa to deal with.
And secondly, you do realize that the last part of your statement is already happening with Republic right? American, United and Delta collectively own ~65% of our company and they all have to work together.
American could just as easily order more Ejets, which the flying public prefer over those crappy CRJ's, and place them with another regional leaving the clapped out CRJ's for Mesa to deal with.
And secondly, you do realize that the last part of your statement is already happening with Republic right? American, United and Delta collectively own ~65% of our company and they all have to work together.
Passengers have to actually "shop" for the plane they will fly on for the E175 to make a big difference in a market. In many markets, outside the west coast, that just isn't happening yet.
Why does anyone think AAG would want to buy Mesa, beyond wishful thinking?
08-03-2017, 05:52 AM
#4870
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Position: CRJ FO
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AAG already has several certificates to operate these aircraft on. The CRJ900, because of its lower capital outlay, is a cheaper jet to fly on a passenger mile basis than the much more expensive E175. AAG is very sensitive to operating costs of its jets.
Passengers have to actually "shop" for the plane they will fly on for the E175 to make a big difference in a market. In many markets, outside the west coast, that just isn't happening yet.
Why does anyone think AAG would want to buy Mesa, beyond wishful thinking?
Passengers have to actually "shop" for the plane they will fly on for the E175 to make a big difference in a market. In many markets, outside the west coast, that just isn't happening yet.
Why does anyone think AAG would want to buy Mesa, beyond wishful thinking?
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