Mesa 3.0
06-19-2017, 09:49 AM
#4471
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 88
I agree. Mainline will never bring this regional flying in house. I keep hearing guys saying they hope we get bought up by a major and simply by proxy become mainline. Never. Gonna. Happen.
It doesn't matter if it cost more to pay a regional to operate these aircraft then it does to bring it in house. That may be the case in the future, but mainline will want to limit their long term exposure. They love this model because if competition grows in the industry (it will), or there is another economic downturn (there will be), they can simply reduce their cost and cancel these bonus programs. Its about the long game guys and gals. Forget the pipe dream.
Now. I can promise you that there is no way in hell that I will stay at Mesa. Regardless, I will do my best to make it a better place for the pilots that potentially come here in the future. This contract is a joke to not only to the pilot group but to the industry as a whole. How can we introduce a contract that is years behind what is being offered by other non-wholly owned regionals? Because its the best Mesa can do? Doubt it. Because its the most JO is willing to offer on this go-around. He's a business man that lives in the economic principle of supply and demand. Send this garbage back and lets get another offer.
I have heard from some that they are concerned that if we turn this down Mesa will go under. There are far too many assets at this company for JO or United to let it fall apart. IF by chance management chooses to let the company fail, another company will buy or merge with us. Mark my words, some serious consolidation is coming in the non-wholly owned regional sector. Not sure who it will be, but there is too much competition to compete with the financial backing of the wholly owned regionals.
It doesn't matter if it cost more to pay a regional to operate these aircraft then it does to bring it in house. That may be the case in the future, but mainline will want to limit their long term exposure. They love this model because if competition grows in the industry (it will), or there is another economic downturn (there will be), they can simply reduce their cost and cancel these bonus programs. Its about the long game guys and gals. Forget the pipe dream.
Now. I can promise you that there is no way in hell that I will stay at Mesa. Regardless, I will do my best to make it a better place for the pilots that potentially come here in the future. This contract is a joke to not only to the pilot group but to the industry as a whole. How can we introduce a contract that is years behind what is being offered by other non-wholly owned regionals? Because its the best Mesa can do? Doubt it. Because its the most JO is willing to offer on this go-around. He's a business man that lives in the economic principle of supply and demand. Send this garbage back and lets get another offer.
I have heard from some that they are concerned that if we turn this down Mesa will go under. There are far too many assets at this company for JO or United to let it fall apart. IF by chance management chooses to let the company fail, another company will buy or merge with us. Mark my words, some serious consolidation is coming in the non-wholly owned regional sector. Not sure who it will be, but there is too much competition to compete with the financial backing of the wholly owned regionals.
I for one hope this TA is voted down and AA or UA step in and tell JO fix your labor issues now or else. A pipe dream, maybe, but if it is true that money has been given to Mesa from AA and/or UA to solve the problem and JO fails to deliver, how do you think they will react?
06-19-2017, 10:51 AM
#4472
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 78
I was for voting yes but now hearing what everyone is saying am gonna vote NO you guys are absolutely correct, let's raise the bar and be compensated what we rightfully deserve, am for one will admit that I was wrong and agree we need to stand together for the cause.
06-19-2017, 11:08 AM
#4473
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: E175 Captain
Posts: 49
Thank you!
Way to go. Welcome to the club. Glad to have you standing next to us. When it is all said and done and we get the contract this pilot group has worked for you will feel good about your decision. Standing firm for a good contact will benefit not just our current pilot group, but future pilots as well. Help spread the word.
06-19-2017, 11:35 AM
#4474
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Thank you for actually being open minded. I wouldn't say you were "wrong", you just hadn't been fully educated. I would never tell you how to vote, but I sure would tell you how I would vote and why with my strong opinions included. It usually takes a new hire 2-3 years before they finally understand and/or listen to the pilots that have been around awhile and not what JO has been feeding you to realize you have the power to change things and JO has been lying to you the whole time...
06-19-2017, 12:06 PM
#4476
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
I love SW pilots (not). A SW pilot was in the terminal in PHX saying how AA was getting tired of Mesa and SW was expecting to take Mesa's 900 flying out of PHX next year. He didn't know I was a Mesa pilot jumping on AA. It sounds like they are planning on us to fail. It just worries me that JO, after all these years, may prove them right.
06-19-2017, 12:32 PM
#4477
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 79
I love SW pilots (not). A SW pilot was in the terminal in PHX saying how AA was getting tired of Mesa and SW was expecting to take Mesa's 900 flying out of PHX next year. He didn't know I was a Mesa pilot jumping on AA. It sounds like they are planning on us to fail. It just worries me that JO, after all these years, may prove them right.
Air Cal, Reno, TWA and now US Air! AA always cuts routes with any purchase. AA needs Mesa to fill their planes with down line passenger. Now is the time to fix your work rules and pay.
06-19-2017, 12:37 PM
#4478
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
I love SW pilots (not). A SW pilot was in the terminal in PHX saying how AA was getting tired of Mesa and SW was expecting to take Mesa's 900 flying out of PHX next year. He didn't know I was a Mesa pilot jumping on AA. It sounds like they are planning on us to fail. It just worries me that JO, after all these years, may prove them right.
On a side note I still remember the days when the Dash base was in Denver and the only pilots who would not return a wave or nod as you passed them was Skywest pilots. Even know of Skywest pilots who lectured the Mesa crews when they were jump seating on Mesa. So I wouldn't be surprised if he knew you were Mesa.
06-19-2017, 12:38 PM
#4479
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: E175 Captain
Posts: 49
As a 32 year AA pilot that flys thru PHX. I believe Mesa's flying is going to expand as AA starts a pull down of the hub! Seen it with
Air Cal, Reno, TWA and now US Air! AA always cuts routes with any purchase. AA needs Mesa to fill their planes with down line passenger. Now is the time to fix your work rules and pay.
Air Cal, Reno, TWA and now US Air! AA always cuts routes with any purchase. AA needs Mesa to fill their planes with down line passenger. Now is the time to fix your work rules and pay.
06-19-2017, 12:38 PM
#4480
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
As a 32 year AA pilot that flys thru PHX. I believe Mesa's flying is going to expand as AA starts a pull down of the hub! Seen it with
Air Cal, Reno, TWA and now US Air! AA always cuts routes with any purchase. AA needs Mesa to fill their planes with down line passenger. Now is the time to fix your work rules and pay.
Air Cal, Reno, TWA and now US Air! AA always cuts routes with any purchase. AA needs Mesa to fill their planes with down line passenger. Now is the time to fix your work rules and pay.
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