BeatNavy

I'm guessing this will pass. I have no dog in this fight, but most people want out in the next year or two and voting it down isn't worth waiting another year or two for TA3. The 2013-2014 hires, and probably 2015 as well, have waited a long time for a new contract, are captains, and will likely be out in 0-2 years. This lets some lifers/long term Mesa pilots get a raise, switch equipment and maybe get a new training event on their resume to get competitive and get out, so most senior people will likely vote for this. Guessing most of the 2013-2015 guys will as well since it's a little raise before they bail or if they stay stuck. Better than going to another regional and starting over. There's prob enough for 2016/2017 hires to vote yes for, since they went to Mesa in the first place in this environment, they probably couldn't do much better or otherwise want to be at Mesa for the base. They are content with being at the bottom of the industry while so many better options existed.

That said, it still isn't industry standard in several ways, some of which are highlighted by deltajuliet (before it's even been released to find even more holes). Ready reserve...nonstarter for me. No way. 62.5% DH pay? Who comes up with this? 100% or bust. There should just be one pay scale. Who cares if it's a 70 or 76 or 79 seat version...same job doing the same thing. And if you have to fly the 50 seater, it should pay as much as the 700/900/175 because it's more work and way more dangerous to fly with as little differences training and proficiency as we had there. And 3-4% per year increases both in the years covered in the contract and every year after the expiration of the contract should be in there. For these reasons I'd still vote no if I were still at Mesa, unless there is some other stuff in the actual TA that makes up for these shortcomings.

WesternSkies

I have no idea how this will attract people. Some of the qol improvements seem so basic.

Mr Rumbold

hearing AQP is way more intense than it was in the past… is this being exaggerated or are people failing?
overhead one CA saying he felt he was close to his first 121 failure but managed to survive.
anyone been there lately?

Sumtinwong

Its not at all contaminated and i for one appreciate it. These are simply bullets, not contract language.

It is disappointing that we still aren't industry average in really any aspect. Not to mention we are already starting at a major disadvantage if you compare our benefit packages to any other non wholly-owned Regional. Other not holding owns can offer Hotel nights, cross training into different aircraft, and highly affordable health care packages. Our family health insurance packages simply are not anywhere in the ballpark of being affordable or reasonable. So take away that fact that we will not have the basic offerings that any other non wholly-owned offers, plus we don't even make industry average pay with this contract.

There are some tremendous advancements compared to our current contract no question about it, and I think that it will pass, but it's sad that is one of the poster mentioned Mesa continues to drag the industry down and we are victim to extremely poor management.

deltajuliet

It's maybe 10% harder. Still not a big deal for most people.

20sx

Be careful what you read on here....not everything is correct. I asked my rep about a couple of these:

Actual block or better per flight leg.....it's still based off your monthly line.

Hotel language with short & Long overnights as well as giving the hotel committee control over decisions and forcing the company to maintain a more watchful eye.....there is no forcing the company to do anything. There are recommendations, but not what the bullet point made it sound like.

Hopefully it'll be ready before Thursday to take a look and read over.

mjpilot

It very much depends on your Sim Evaluation airman.
There is a particular one who has a high failure rate ...

whyvee

Uh oh. The failures I've heard of were for really bad stuff. The hardest part of my last AQP was working with an FO who could barely use the FMS. I wish they'd pick up on that stuff better.

NovemberBravo

I bet it was DL out of IAD

Sennant

nope on both counts