Mesa 3.0
05-20-2017, 01:05 PM
#4031
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
There is no contractual language that I can find. The contract is very vague. No where that I could find does it say that you don't have to accept a junior available. Not saying it's not there, I just can't find it.
I even looked at therefrence MAGPBS gave me. The only thing that mentions anything about a restriction to the company is that they can't take you below min days off. I assume that means 11. But what if you have 13 days of for the month? What if you finish a 4 day at 8am. Where's the language in the contract that says I do not have to accept a JA under these circumstances?
I even looked at therefrence MAGPBS gave me. The only thing that mentions anything about a restriction to the company is that they can't take you below min days off. I assume that means 11. But what if you have 13 days of for the month? What if you finish a 4 day at 8am. Where's the language in the contract that says I do not have to accept a JA under these circumstances?
05-20-2017, 01:05 PM
#4032
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Position: captain
Posts: 53
b. Uncovered flying which remains unassigned after the application
of H.2., H.3., H.4., and H.5.a., above, may be assigned by the
Company as follows:
1) To available and qualified reserves or volunteers within the
domicile; then to
2) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment, first
in domicile then within the same hub system; then to
3) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment while
on scheduled days off, in the following order:
(a) within the domicile; then
(b) within the same hub system; then
(c) system-wide.
4) In no event will a pilot be required to fly below the number of
minimum guaranteed days off.
but to me number 4 means if pbs guaranteed me off 15 days for this month, then the company cannot take me below 15 days off for the month since it was guaranteed to me in my pbs monthly award
of H.2., H.3., H.4., and H.5.a., above, may be assigned by the
Company as follows:
1) To available and qualified reserves or volunteers within the
domicile; then to
2) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment, first
in domicile then within the same hub system; then to
3) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment while
on scheduled days off, in the following order:
(a) within the domicile; then
(b) within the same hub system; then
(c) system-wide.
4) In no event will a pilot be required to fly below the number of
minimum guaranteed days off.
but to me number 4 means if pbs guaranteed me off 15 days for this month, then the company cannot take me below 15 days off for the month since it was guaranteed to me in my pbs monthly award
05-20-2017, 01:10 PM
#4033
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
Isn't the point of the p2p program that you're supposed to be in the know? (asking honestly, not sarcastically). Don't you have a point of contact that should be able to answer this question for you so you can pass the knowledge on.
05-20-2017, 01:13 PM
#4034
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
(12.B) Days Off
1. The minimum monthly days off for Regular line holders will be eleven
(11) days.
2. The minimum monthly days off for Reserve line holders will be eleven
(11) days.
05-20-2017, 02:29 PM
#4035
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: ????
Posts: 579
You are exactly right. I volunteered to be a P2P and only thing I received was an ALPA email address. That's it.
As far as a point of contact, I have no idea.
05-20-2017, 02:34 PM
#4036
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: ????
Posts: 579
Nice try, but those don't count as guaranteed days. Just try and get one back if you're over 11.
(12.B) Days Off
1. The minimum monthly days off for Regular line holders will be eleven
(11) days.
2. The minimum monthly days off for Reserve line holders will be eleven
(11) days.
(12.B) Days Off
1. The minimum monthly days off for Regular line holders will be eleven
(11) days.
2. The minimum monthly days off for Reserve line holders will be eleven
(11) days.
This whole discussion is making my point. We can't even agree to what it means.
05-20-2017, 03:14 PM
#4037
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Min days is 11. It's unwise to accept a junior available trip if you're above that because it won't be easy to convince them to make you whole as far as the day(s) off you lost.
There's also a clause in there that says if your trip ending at 10pm gets delayed and you finish the next day before 2am, it doesn't count as going into an extra day.
There's also a clause in there that says if your trip ending at 10pm gets delayed and you finish the next day before 2am, it doesn't count as going into an extra day.
05-21-2017, 03:21 AM
#4038
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 304
b. Uncovered flying which remains unassigned after the application
of H.2., H.3., H.4., and H.5.a., above, may be assigned by the
Company as follows:
1) To available and qualified reserves or volunteers within the
domicile; then to
2) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment, first
in domicile then within the same hub system; then to
3) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment while
on scheduled days off, in the following order:
(a) within the domicile; then
(b) within the same hub system; then
(c) system-wide.
of H.2., H.3., H.4., and H.5.a., above, may be assigned by the
Company as follows:
1) To available and qualified reserves or volunteers within the
domicile; then to
2) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment, first
in domicile then within the same hub system; then to
3) The most junior pilot available in status and equipment while
on scheduled days off, in the following order:
(a) within the domicile; then
(b) within the same hub system; then
(c) system-wide.
AVAILABLE - not otherwise occupied; free to do something.
For me personally, I know that with my limited family time, I am very rarely: "not otherwise occupied; free to do something".
And I simply tell them that, politely and professionally. Then I move on with my life.
05-21-2017, 06:41 AM
#4039
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 15
As stated earlier, I think it would serve all Mesa pilots well, to simply understand the definition of "AVAILABLE".
AVAILABLE - not otherwise occupied; free to do something.
For me personally, I know that with my limited family time, I am very rarely: "not otherwise occupied; free to do something".
And I simply tell them that, politely and professionally. Then I move on with my life.
AVAILABLE - not otherwise occupied; free to do something.
For me personally, I know that with my limited family time, I am very rarely: "not otherwise occupied; free to do something".
And I simply tell them that, politely and professionally. Then I move on with my life.
05-21-2017, 06:52 AM
#4040
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 15
Man, I've said the same thing a thousand times. You are exactly right. They expect first class service for a Grayhound bus fare.
Which brings up another topic. Since the flying public thinks we make six figures, or close to it, and we only work 7 days out of the month, who was the billboard in IAH targeted to? If it was the customer, they don't care. Like MAGPBS said they, just want their cheap fares. I think it would be a good idea to educate the public. Just my opinion.
Which brings up another topic. Since the flying public thinks we make six figures, or close to it, and we only work 7 days out of the month, who was the billboard in IAH targeted to? If it was the customer, they don't care. Like MAGPBS said they, just want their cheap fares. I think it would be a good idea to educate the public. Just my opinion.
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