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04-24-2017, 06:52 PM
#3744
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,291
I'm sorry but that letter was a true and on point as anything ever published by the union. What he said is basically what is being uttered in the cockpit among us all. We all know we need to leave this place to actually improve our odds at ending up at our career jobs. I'm glad he sent it out, I think he was only speaking the truth, and at the same time venting the frustrations of the MAJORITY of the pilots here.
Also, most of the people that prefer the union continue this consolatory negotiating tactic with management are the pilot who intend on staying here. We simply have to be willing to let the place fail if management cant give us an industry average contract. Management is playing the fiddle to the pilots who are afraid to loose their jobs. No one wants anyone to loose their job due to a business closure but if the company is so poorly managed both financially and through their forecasting of the industry, its not up to the pilots to prop them up and bail them out. Mesa is not too big to fail.
Whether or not you agree with what i'm saying, the economics of the situation support it. If JO does not offer industry average, the majority will vote NO. Its not going to happen. The union needs to stop being manipulated by management in negotiating this contract. We have seen managements emails which do their best to lie and distort the truth about what it's like to work here and how little money they have. If you cant run a profitable business like EVERY OTHER non-wholly owned regional can, then time to do something else.
We can't consciously roll over for the company, even if we are leaving for greener pastures. It is our duty to negotiate a better contract for the people that will follow us in the future.
Also, most of the people that prefer the union continue this consolatory negotiating tactic with management are the pilot who intend on staying here. We simply have to be willing to let the place fail if management cant give us an industry average contract. Management is playing the fiddle to the pilots who are afraid to loose their jobs. No one wants anyone to loose their job due to a business closure but if the company is so poorly managed both financially and through their forecasting of the industry, its not up to the pilots to prop them up and bail them out. Mesa is not too big to fail.
Whether or not you agree with what i'm saying, the economics of the situation support it. If JO does not offer industry average, the majority will vote NO. Its not going to happen. The union needs to stop being manipulated by management in negotiating this contract. We have seen managements emails which do their best to lie and distort the truth about what it's like to work here and how little money they have. If you cant run a profitable business like EVERY OTHER non-wholly owned regional can, then time to do something else.
We can't consciously roll over for the company, even if we are leaving for greener pastures. It is our duty to negotiate a better contract for the people that will follow us in the future.
Best of luck to you all.
04-24-2017, 09:09 PM
#3746
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 79
That the same advice that was giving to the guys working for AA under the B scale in 1984! I chose to stay. My pay is now $330 per hour! It's easy to give advice! Talk is cheep! I am not saying stay or leave. I have no idea what's going on at Mesa! What I am saying is, do you own thinking. Dave
04-25-2017, 04:39 AM
#3747
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 737
Well, if JO had his way, FO payscales would be there. But, he still needs to fix the captain wages to and that is something he's not quite there with.....in addition to all the other contract stuff that needs to be fixed.
04-25-2017, 04:58 AM
#3748
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
Hate to say it but all the time spent being disgruntle and trying to fix Mesa could be better used at trying to get out. You really will be surprised how much better even the ULCC's and non-UPS Fedex, cargo ops are. If you get a Legacy then more power to you. Not saying you are not trying but try harder. Make it your full time second job. I finally did when I just got sick of DFW. That is really what motivated me. Now I regret not leaving years earlier. Remember this job environment won't last forever. Just don't get to wrapped up in hoping things will change at Mesa. In my 13.5 years I was at Mesa I always had hope but it only stayed the same or got worse. So put that energy into job fairs, interview prep, and networking, and it will pay off in the long run. I wish you well.
P.S. I still browse the drama on here at Mesa because I have none now. Just like NO LAND 3 does...lol I just want a little so I don't get bored and this fixes my need...ha!
P.S. I still browse the drama on here at Mesa because I have none now. Just like NO LAND 3 does...lol I just want a little so I don't get bored and this fixes my need...ha!
04-25-2017, 05:00 AM
#3749
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
I hope this happens for my friends at YV, you guys deserve it.
04-25-2017, 05:40 AM
#3750
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 41
Hello, I have been advised from many people not to apply for Mesa. I live in Houston though. Do you think in case Mesa shuts down Skywest will take over the 175s at Houston ? So maybe a better option is to try Skywest ? Thank you for any advise
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