Mesa 3.0
04-08-2017, 08:44 AM
#3483
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 18
First of all, if someone accepts JRA or picks up opentime which IS by their own choice then its their own choice to miss that all important family event or function. The pay and bennies here are abysmal compared to the rest of the regional employers. Is it better than not having a job, barely when you only have 11days off a month, no trip drops, inefficient pairings etc etc
04-08-2017, 09:10 AM
#3484
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 88
I personally think this is dead on. There has never been any real faithful negotiations from JO. Dragging this on is in his favor, and lookie who shows up PF. The finance guy who is going to help pump and dump this place. And look who leaves, CC. Super great guy, no spring chicken, but I bet he has heard some stuff in the hallways.
04-08-2017, 09:18 AM
#3485
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: e145 fo
Posts: 250
I've read/heard people comment on open time pickups quite a bit lately. Seems like the issue is a little more complicated than simply, "DON'T PICK UP OPEN TIME!"
With our short staffing, those flying open trips are keeping the operation running which, in turn, keeps us all employed. I don't know about you, but I work for money, and would rather find my next job from the strong position of being a current, employed pilot than scraping for whatever I can get after Mesa folds. Yes, those pilots did it for 200%, but that's how rational people work. Telling everyone to ignore that incentive is naive and unrealistic. It could be said that those “standing their ground” and refusing JRAs and open time are actually just mooching off those of us who pull our weight. It can be a little frustrating to watch some disheveled idiot call in sick or refuse a JRA, citing high and mighty union rhetoric when, really, they just don’t want to do it, only to hear how the pilot who replaced him is missing some family event, appointment, commute, etc.
Also, where do you draw the line on those who are “supporting the company” and those who aren't? By flying for the Mesa operation in any capacity you're supporting the company, by coming to work here you're supporting the company. Which pilots are senior enough to tell others, "don't come to Mesa”? How are any of us different from those who picked up open time? I flew 90+ hours the past couple months (none of it open time). Was that too many hours? Too much support? And what if I refuse a JRA, doesn’t that just screw over some other pilot who cares enough about their attendance record and standing with the company, i.e., their career and professionalism, to accept it?
Yeah, the company’s proposal sucked, but it’s JO’s job to keep Mesa in business. I guess as long as the tinfoil hats keep believing there’s secret money somewhere and that the pilot group needs to **** up the operation to somehow draw it out, we’re going nowhere. I’m starting to get the impression that some of our union leadership are fulfilling a personal vendetta against Mesa rather than working to keep money in my pocket. A raise would be awesome, but even if you make $22/hr (a wage to which you agreed, by the way), that amount is more than $0.
With our short staffing, those flying open trips are keeping the operation running which, in turn, keeps us all employed. I don't know about you, but I work for money, and would rather find my next job from the strong position of being a current, employed pilot than scraping for whatever I can get after Mesa folds. Yes, those pilots did it for 200%, but that's how rational people work. Telling everyone to ignore that incentive is naive and unrealistic. It could be said that those “standing their ground” and refusing JRAs and open time are actually just mooching off those of us who pull our weight. It can be a little frustrating to watch some disheveled idiot call in sick or refuse a JRA, citing high and mighty union rhetoric when, really, they just don’t want to do it, only to hear how the pilot who replaced him is missing some family event, appointment, commute, etc.
Also, where do you draw the line on those who are “supporting the company” and those who aren't? By flying for the Mesa operation in any capacity you're supporting the company, by coming to work here you're supporting the company. Which pilots are senior enough to tell others, "don't come to Mesa”? How are any of us different from those who picked up open time? I flew 90+ hours the past couple months (none of it open time). Was that too many hours? Too much support? And what if I refuse a JRA, doesn’t that just screw over some other pilot who cares enough about their attendance record and standing with the company, i.e., their career and professionalism, to accept it?
Yeah, the company’s proposal sucked, but it’s JO’s job to keep Mesa in business. I guess as long as the tinfoil hats keep believing there’s secret money somewhere and that the pilot group needs to **** up the operation to somehow draw it out, we’re going nowhere. I’m starting to get the impression that some of our union leadership are fulfilling a personal vendetta against Mesa rather than working to keep money in my pocket. A raise would be awesome, but even if you make $22/hr (a wage to which you agreed, by the way), that amount is more than $0.
04-08-2017, 09:19 AM
#3486
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
I personally think this is dead on. There has never been any real faithful negotiations from JO. Dragging this on is in his favor, and lookie who shows up PF. The finance guy who is going to help pump and dump this place. And look who leaves, CC. Super great guy, no spring chicken, but I bet he has heard some stuff in the hallways.
04-08-2017, 09:50 AM
#3487
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Did he? I'm glad to hear. It must suck doing the company's bidding after getting your hotels taken away and putting out constant fires while the Crystal Palace remains deaf to the operational problems you convey to them.
04-08-2017, 10:21 AM
#3488
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 774
I've read/heard people comment on open time pickups quite a bit lately. Seems like the issue is a little more complicated than simply, "DON'T PICK UP OPEN TIME!"
With our short staffing, those flying open trips are keeping the operation running which, in turn, keeps us all employed. I don't know about you, but I work for money, and would rather find my next job from the strong position of being a current, employed pilot than scraping for whatever I can get after Mesa folds. Yes, those pilots did it for 200%, but that's how rational people work. Telling everyone to ignore that incentive is naive and unrealistic. It could be said that those “standing their ground” and refusing JRAs and open time are actually just mooching off those of us who pull our weight. It can be a little frustrating to watch some disheveled idiot call in sick or refuse a JRA, citing high and mighty union rhetoric when, really, they just don’t want to do it, only to hear how the pilot who replaced him is missing some family event, appointment, commute, etc.
Also, where do you draw the line on those who are “supporting the company” and those who aren't? By flying for the Mesa operation in any capacity you're supporting the company, by coming to work here you're supporting the company. Which pilots are senior enough to tell others, "don't come to Mesa”? How are any of us different from those who picked up open time? I flew 90+ hours the past couple months (none of it open time). Was that too many hours? Too much support? And what if I refuse a JRA, doesn’t that just screw over some other pilot who cares enough about their attendance record and standing with the company, i.e., their career and professionalism, to accept it?
Yeah, the company’s proposal sucked, but it’s JO’s job to keep Mesa in business. I guess as long as the tinfoil hats keep believing there’s secret money somewhere and that the pilot group needs to **** up the operation to somehow draw it out, we’re going nowhere. I’m starting to get the impression that some of our union leadership are fulfilling a personal vendetta against Mesa rather than working to keep money in my pocket. A raise would be awesome, but even if you make $22/hr (a wage to which you agreed, by the way), that amount is more than $0.
With our short staffing, those flying open trips are keeping the operation running which, in turn, keeps us all employed. I don't know about you, but I work for money, and would rather find my next job from the strong position of being a current, employed pilot than scraping for whatever I can get after Mesa folds. Yes, those pilots did it for 200%, but that's how rational people work. Telling everyone to ignore that incentive is naive and unrealistic. It could be said that those “standing their ground” and refusing JRAs and open time are actually just mooching off those of us who pull our weight. It can be a little frustrating to watch some disheveled idiot call in sick or refuse a JRA, citing high and mighty union rhetoric when, really, they just don’t want to do it, only to hear how the pilot who replaced him is missing some family event, appointment, commute, etc.
Also, where do you draw the line on those who are “supporting the company” and those who aren't? By flying for the Mesa operation in any capacity you're supporting the company, by coming to work here you're supporting the company. Which pilots are senior enough to tell others, "don't come to Mesa”? How are any of us different from those who picked up open time? I flew 90+ hours the past couple months (none of it open time). Was that too many hours? Too much support? And what if I refuse a JRA, doesn’t that just screw over some other pilot who cares enough about their attendance record and standing with the company, i.e., their career and professionalism, to accept it?
Yeah, the company’s proposal sucked, but it’s JO’s job to keep Mesa in business. I guess as long as the tinfoil hats keep believing there’s secret money somewhere and that the pilot group needs to **** up the operation to somehow draw it out, we’re going nowhere. I’m starting to get the impression that some of our union leadership are fulfilling a personal vendetta against Mesa rather than working to keep money in my pocket. A raise would be awesome, but even if you make $22/hr (a wage to which you agreed, by the way), that amount is more than $0.
04-08-2017, 11:58 AM
#3489
Puppet on a String
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 93
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Mesa Airlines Announces New Pilot Incentive Program
PHOENIX – April 7, 2017 – Mesa Airlines, Inc. announced today the first location rollout of a new pilot incentive program with the goal of retaining more of these highly-trained professionals as valued employees. Mesa Airlines Executive Vice President Paul Foley stated today that in conjunction with a vendor at Dallas Fort Worth International Airport, he has secured a way to dramatically boost pilot pay under the Work While You Wait program. Foley acknowledged that for decades Mesa has had their flight crews wait up to four hours many times per week between their turns for the day and their last leg out of Dallas. During this time crews only earn $1.50 per hour per diem while lounging around the airport, and often complain that they are grossly underutilized.
“Not anymore on my watch”, says Foley, having secured a ground-breaking temporary employment agreement with the DFW Airport Qdoba at $10 an hour for any pilot. Payroll will be seamless, and pilots don’t need to take off their uniform, just throw on an apron. “Will someone please tell me where in the world can you make 566% more money per hour?” asks Jonathan Ornstein, CEO of Mesa Airlines. “We never expected our pilots to live off our wages, and this opportunity puts them that much closer to financial security plus they get a free burrito. Mesa saves by not having to pay them per diem when they work at Qdoba! This is a win-win for all involved, the pilots, the airline, and the fast food industry.” Pilots who work at least 20 hours per week and are fully qualified in both burrito and quesadilla assembly during both daytime and night, and have demonstrated the ability to operate the deep-fat frier in reduced heat mode without benefit of a QRH, will be eligible for health insurance paid by Qdoba. Pilot applicants will be required to optionally take and pass the TOEFL examination before being allowed to speak with Qdoba customers through a headset.
Dallas Qdoba employee Cindy Snow, a recent GED graduate and resident at the Tarrant County Ramper and Baggage Handler Narcotics Recovery House says, “Sup…is just so cool to be working with these pilots shoulder-to-shoulder, they are so smart with all their training about jets and knowledge of everything else in the world too, and here they are making burritos just like me.” Mesa pilot (First Officer) Roger Murdoch says, “I love flying for American Eagle, proudly operated by Mesa Airlines, but I dread flying five legs for 4:40 of credit. Now I am making six times more money instead of just sitting around in the crew room chatting up the high school girls! Thank you Paul and Jonathan, for your superb leadership in building a great future for all of us at Mesa. Next time you’re in line at Qdoba I’m going to slip you an extra lump of guacamole!”
About Mesa Airlines
A multiple-time recipient of Air Transport World’s Regional Airline of the Year Award, Phoenix-based Mesa Airlines operates as American Eagle from hubs in Phoenix and Dallas/Fort Worth and as United Express from Washington Dulles and Houston. Founded on a mesa in New Mexico in 1982 by Larry and Janie Risley, Mesa currently operates 133 aircraft, with more than 600 daily system departures to 124 cities, 38 states, the District of Columbia, Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas. The airline will add 17 additional Embraer 175 aircraft to its fleet in 2017. The company has approximately 3,100 employees and is losing about 35 pilots per month, but has plans to hire an additional 1,000 gullible workers in the next two years. For more information, go to www.mesa-air.com or visit us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/mesaairlines
Corporate Communications
602-685-4010 [email protected]
Mesa Airlines Announces New Pilot Incentive Program
PHOENIX – April 7, 2017 – Mesa Airlines, Inc. announced today the first location rollout of a new pilot incentive program with the goal of retaining more of these highly-trained professionals as valued employees. Mesa Airlines Executive Vice President Paul Foley stated today that in conjunction with a vendor at Dallas Fort Worth International Airport, he has secured a way to dramatically boost pilot pay under the Work While You Wait program. Foley acknowledged that for decades Mesa has had their flight crews wait up to four hours many times per week between their turns for the day and their last leg out of Dallas. During this time crews only earn $1.50 per hour per diem while lounging around the airport, and often complain that they are grossly underutilized.
“Not anymore on my watch”, says Foley, having secured a ground-breaking temporary employment agreement with the DFW Airport Qdoba at $10 an hour for any pilot. Payroll will be seamless, and pilots don’t need to take off their uniform, just throw on an apron. “Will someone please tell me where in the world can you make 566% more money per hour?” asks Jonathan Ornstein, CEO of Mesa Airlines. “We never expected our pilots to live off our wages, and this opportunity puts them that much closer to financial security plus they get a free burrito. Mesa saves by not having to pay them per diem when they work at Qdoba! This is a win-win for all involved, the pilots, the airline, and the fast food industry.” Pilots who work at least 20 hours per week and are fully qualified in both burrito and quesadilla assembly during both daytime and night, and have demonstrated the ability to operate the deep-fat frier in reduced heat mode without benefit of a QRH, will be eligible for health insurance paid by Qdoba. Pilot applicants will be required to optionally take and pass the TOEFL examination before being allowed to speak with Qdoba customers through a headset.
Dallas Qdoba employee Cindy Snow, a recent GED graduate and resident at the Tarrant County Ramper and Baggage Handler Narcotics Recovery House says, “Sup…is just so cool to be working with these pilots shoulder-to-shoulder, they are so smart with all their training about jets and knowledge of everything else in the world too, and here they are making burritos just like me.” Mesa pilot (First Officer) Roger Murdoch says, “I love flying for American Eagle, proudly operated by Mesa Airlines, but I dread flying five legs for 4:40 of credit. Now I am making six times more money instead of just sitting around in the crew room chatting up the high school girls! Thank you Paul and Jonathan, for your superb leadership in building a great future for all of us at Mesa. Next time you’re in line at Qdoba I’m going to slip you an extra lump of guacamole!”
About Mesa Airlines
A multiple-time recipient of Air Transport World’s Regional Airline of the Year Award, Phoenix-based Mesa Airlines operates as American Eagle from hubs in Phoenix and Dallas/Fort Worth and as United Express from Washington Dulles and Houston. Founded on a mesa in New Mexico in 1982 by Larry and Janie Risley, Mesa currently operates 133 aircraft, with more than 600 daily system departures to 124 cities, 38 states, the District of Columbia, Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas. The airline will add 17 additional Embraer 175 aircraft to its fleet in 2017. The company has approximately 3,100 employees and is losing about 35 pilots per month, but has plans to hire an additional 1,000 gullible workers in the next two years. For more information, go to www.mesa-air.com or visit us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/mesaairlines
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