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11-17-2016, 11:27 AM
#1721
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
I'm not justifying anything, only laying out management's likely playbook.
Starting pay is presently a third of the American wholly-owned's. That's undeniably unacceptable. A 3rd year Captain's W2 is on par with a 1st year Envoy FO's. Also unacceptable. However, if 1st year pay came up to $35-45k, in line with SkyWest/RAH/TSA/etc., and Captains lose the 200 base rate along with reasonable pay bumps, I'm simply saying a mainline flow program might delay the decision to jump ship to an LCC. But pay absolutely needs to be in the ballpark.
Starting pay is presently a third of the American wholly-owned's. That's undeniably unacceptable. A 3rd year Captain's W2 is on par with a 1st year Envoy FO's. Also unacceptable. However, if 1st year pay came up to $35-45k, in line with SkyWest/RAH/TSA/etc., and Captains lose the 200 base rate along with reasonable pay bumps, I'm simply saying a mainline flow program might delay the decision to jump ship to an LCC. But pay absolutely needs to be in the ballpark.
11-17-2016, 12:04 PM
#1722
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Position: DFW CRJ CA
Posts: 340
Just to offset everyone who claims that unstacking is strictly a staffing issue and nothing else, I present exhibit A. This is why there's unstacking. This is based off of a first pass run.
Columns are Date; Actual Coverage; Open Trips; Net Coverage
20161201 8 0 8
20161202 9 0 9
20161203 10 0 10
20161204 10 0 10
20161205 10 0 10
20161206 9 0 9
20161207 8 0 8
20161208 10 0 10
20161209 11 0 11
20161210 10 0 10
20161211 10 1 9
20161212 10 1 9
20161213 10 1 9
20161214 11 1 10
20161215 10 1 9
20161216 10 1 9
20161217 9 1 8
20161218 7 1 6
20161219 11 0 11
20161220 10 0 10
20161221 12 0 12
20161222 10 5 5
20161223 10 11 -1
20161224 5 18 -13
20161225 6 22 -16
20161226 7 17 -10
20161227 8 11 -3
20161228 10 4 6
20161229 10 0 10
20161230 10 0 10
20161231 8 0 8
Columns are Date; Actual Coverage; Open Trips; Net Coverage
20161201 8 0 8
20161202 9 0 9
20161203 10 0 10
20161204 10 0 10
20161205 10 0 10
20161206 9 0 9
20161207 8 0 8
20161208 10 0 10
20161209 11 0 11
20161210 10 0 10
20161211 10 1 9
20161212 10 1 9
20161213 10 1 9
20161214 11 1 10
20161215 10 1 9
20161216 10 1 9
20161217 9 1 8
20161218 7 1 6
20161219 11 0 11
20161220 10 0 10
20161221 12 0 12
20161222 10 5 5
20161223 10 11 -1
20161224 5 18 -13
20161225 6 22 -16
20161226 7 17 -10
20161227 8 11 -3
20161228 10 4 6
20161229 10 0 10
20161230 10 0 10
20161231 8 0 8
11-17-2016, 12:21 PM
#1723
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 737
Just to offset everyone who claims that unstacking is strictly a staffing issue and nothing else, I present exhibit A. This is why there's unstacking. This is based off of a first pass run.
Columns are Date; Actual Coverage; Open Trips; Net Coverage
20161201 8 0 8
20161202 9 0 9
20161203 10 0 10
20161204 10 0 10
20161205 10 0 10
20161206 9 0 9
20161207 8 0 8
20161208 10 0 10
20161209 11 0 11
20161210 10 0 10
20161211 10 1 9
20161212 10 1 9
20161213 10 1 9
20161214 11 1 10
20161215 10 1 9
20161216 10 1 9
20161217 9 1 8
20161218 7 1 6
20161219 11 0 11
20161220 10 0 10
20161221 12 0 12
20161222 10 5 5
20161223 10 11 -1
20161224 5 18 -13
20161225 6 22 -16
20161226 7 17 -10
20161227 8 11 -3
20161228 10 4 6
20161229 10 0 10
20161230 10 0 10
20161231 8 0 8
Columns are Date; Actual Coverage; Open Trips; Net Coverage
20161201 8 0 8
20161202 9 0 9
20161203 10 0 10
20161204 10 0 10
20161205 10 0 10
20161206 9 0 9
20161207 8 0 8
20161208 10 0 10
20161209 11 0 11
20161210 10 0 10
20161211 10 1 9
20161212 10 1 9
20161213 10 1 9
20161214 11 1 10
20161215 10 1 9
20161216 10 1 9
20161217 9 1 8
20161218 7 1 6
20161219 11 0 11
20161220 10 0 10
20161221 12 0 12
20161222 10 5 5
20161223 10 11 -1
20161224 5 18 -13
20161225 6 22 -16
20161226 7 17 -10
20161227 8 11 -3
20161228 10 4 6
20161229 10 0 10
20161230 10 0 10
20161231 8 0 8
11-17-2016, 12:25 PM
#1724
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
Another factor in play is an offer for flow through to United, which could offset less-than-industry-standard pay rates. So, how much lower, and what kind of flow are we talking? Is it 30 people a month no-questions-asked or a preferential interview for one pilot a year? If this is all true, and if management wants to make it happen, maybe they'll deal. It sounds like mainline is willing to back reasonable pay increases for stable long term lift. If there is a flow with it, maybe the price will be right.
However it would be amazing news for us 2013/14 hires considering the top 200 pilots are NEVER leaving, not even for a flow through agreement. But it's nothing more than a wet dream at this point.
11-17-2016, 12:29 PM
#1725
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Yeah, I think a lot of it is wishful thinking too. Just some gossip.
No it doesn't. So what happens when there aren't enough pilots to fly the schedule?
I do find it amusing that industry management thinks you can staff lean for normal times then expect to fly extra at peak times.
No it doesn't. So what happens when there aren't enough pilots to fly the schedule?
I do find it amusing that industry management thinks you can staff lean for normal times then expect to fly extra at peak times.
11-17-2016, 12:35 PM
#1726
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Position: DFW CRJ CA
Posts: 340
Yeah, I think a lot of it is wishful thinking too. Just some gossip.
No it doesn't. So what happens when there aren't enough pilots to fly the schedule?
I do find it amusing that industry management thinks you can staff lean for normal times then expect to fly extra at peak times.
No it doesn't. So what happens when there aren't enough pilots to fly the schedule?
I do find it amusing that industry management thinks you can staff lean for normal times then expect to fly extra at peak times.
11-17-2016, 01:13 PM
#1728
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 120
Which benifits am I not getting that the are not the same as the Mothership?
But even if the pay rates were equal, which they are not, just on the benifits alone, the compensation package is quite a bit better. You gotta consider the costs of the coverage and then the costs of co-pays, etc to use the coverage. They got a pretty sweet deal over here.
So mainly it's just the pay I'd call B-scale.
11-17-2016, 01:14 PM
#1729
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 298
Oh it's not going out like that. Right now it's giving everyone X-Mas off who asked for it. Next step will be some unstacking which puts seniority back into place and cleans up the issue. But the example is there that if you look at the rest of the month you'll notice there's nothing else open and numbers are fine.
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