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Old 10-29-2016, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EjetTaxi
What if Mesa doesn't have any money and they aren't BS'ing us? Are negotiations useless? I mean they are probably going to want to give us 1% raises again and nothing more.
And what if Mesa does have a stock pile of money and have been fooling us this whole time? I'm not gonna play any "what if" games. Let's make our way toward mediation and find out.
Mesa seems to have money to remodel the crystal palace. They have loads of money to attract and acquire new hires. That new hire money seems to be never ending.
How about Mesa spending money to retain its pilots with competitive wages, health benefits, and QOL improvements.
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Old 10-29-2016, 12:45 PM
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And what if Mesa does have a stock pile of money and have been fooling us this whole time? I'm not gonna play any "what if" games. Let's make our way toward mediation and find out.
Mesa seems to have money to remodel the crystal palace. They have loads of money to attract and acquire new hires. That new hire money seems to be never ending.
How about Mesa spending money to retain its pilots with competitive wages, health benefits, and QOL improvements.
I believe management, Mesa does not have the means to be competitive nor does Air Wisconsin and a few others. Its too bad.
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Old 10-29-2016, 12:49 PM
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I believe management, Mesa does not have the means to be competitive nor does Air Wisconsin and a few others. Its too bad.
Air wisconsin is probably one of the wealthiest regionals in the industry. They just don't WANT to hand out money to their employees. It's sad.
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Old 10-29-2016, 01:23 PM
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Why the &@#&#@)*(@#)*(&#@#&@*(#@#@_()* any of you waiting for things to improve at mesa????????
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Old 10-29-2016, 04:59 PM
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If they don't have the money, we have the honor of shutting down a blight on the profession.

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Old 10-29-2016, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EjetTaxi
What if Mesa doesn't have any money and they aren't BS'ing us? Are negotiations useless? I mean they are probably going to want to give us 1% raises again and nothing more.
If Mesa can't pay the new industry standard wages, benefits, and QOL, (for whatever reason), then they will not be able to retain or attract FO's. If they don't have FO's, there will be no upgrades. People will leave, and the ship will sink. This is already happening.

It's really pretty easy to see where this is going.

The reason they don't or can't or won't pay industry standard is irrelevant. They either pay it, and the company continues to operate. Or they don't, and it doesn't. It's really as simple as that.

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Old 10-29-2016, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by trevtt600
Air wisconsin is probably one of the wealthiest regionals in the industry. They just don't WANT to hand out money to their employees. It's sad.
You're probably right but the wealthiest regional is not a very profitable business. Pretty much swapping dollars.
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Old 10-29-2016, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyler02
If Mesa can't pay the new industry standard wages, benefits, and QOL, (for whatever reason), then they will not be able to retain or attract FO's. If they don't have FO's, there will be no upgrades. People will leave, and the ship will sink. This is already happening.

It's really pretty easy to see where this is going.

The reason they don't or can't or won't pay industry standard is irrelevant. They either pay it, and the company continues to operate. Or they don't, and it doesn't. It's really as simple as that.

It really isn't that simple.
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Old 10-29-2016, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by VanDriver208
If they truly have no money, that is the result of years of mismanagement by JO and others responsible for the financial decisions this company makes...not the fault of the pilots. If that is the case, perhaps they shouldn't be in business at all. In the next five years I'd imagine that a few regionals will go the way of the do-do, maybe Mesa is the first one to have its head on the chopping block.
No, it will definitely be air whisky unless one of the majors saves them. If not rhey're gone in 2018.
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Old 10-29-2016, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cbrittle
I believe management, Mesa does not have the means to be competitive nor does Air Wisconsin and a few others. Its too bad.
Why? Why do you believe liars? What is the hourly cost to operate a CRJ or ERJ .... $8000? $10000? I don't know. But, what
I do know is that to pay the flight crew members another 10 or 15 bucks an hour is a drop in the bucket in comparison. If you believe their story that they can't afford to come off another 50 or 60 bucks an hour to be split by the flight crew then you're delusional. Mesa may be cutting their profit margin pretty close to the bone, but not THAT close.
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