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08-28-2015, 04:18 PM
#903
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I find the junior guys are much more well read on the state of the industry and therefore have some context from which to judge how poor this TA is. Some senior guys only seem to have knowledge relating to past MAG contracts. Ask them about what's going on at Republic and they have no idea. Still, the "no" consensus is strong among every demographic.
08-28-2015, 05:30 PM
#904
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First impressions after watching the video...they all look like hostages in one of those ISIS videos. I was halfway expecting Jihadi John to randomly pop up welding a knife!
And contrary to popular opinion, the "FNGs" aren't the ones you have to worry about voting yes en mass on this horrid piece of work. It's the older crowd, the guys/gals who have been here for 20+ years and can't leave, who will try to push this POS through. Any newer FO could bail and not be any worse off working anywhere else in this industry.
And contrary to popular opinion, the "FNGs" aren't the ones you have to worry about voting yes en mass on this horrid piece of work. It's the older crowd, the guys/gals who have been here for 20+ years and can't leave, who will try to push this POS through. Any newer FO could bail and not be any worse off working anywhere else in this industry.
08-28-2015, 06:01 PM
#905
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
Also I've been accused of having a bad attitude by some of these guys because I think we should get paid more and see things like min day pay and better work rules spelled out in our contract. I always get the same "you should just be happy to be here flying a large regional jet" type response. Now I could be wrong but I feel that most of these types will be voting yes.
08-28-2015, 06:18 PM
#906
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Maybe I am wrong, we shall see. But I'm just going off of the impression I get from flying with a lot of the lifer CAs in PHX. They are nice guys, but most of them are "company men" just like that guy in the video who has been here since 1983 and doesn't plan on leaving. They don't want to rock the boat because with that kind of longevity and years remaining to retirement, they are better off sticking it out here until the end and taking whatever they can get in the process.
Also I've been accused of having a bad attitude by some of these guys because I think we should get paid more and see things like min day pay and better work rules spelled out in our contract. I always get the same "you should just be happy to be here flying a large regional jet" type response. Now I could be wrong but I feel that most of these types will be voting yes.
Also I've been accused of having a bad attitude by some of these guys because I think we should get paid more and see things like min day pay and better work rules spelled out in our contract. I always get the same "you should just be happy to be here flying a large regional jet" type response. Now I could be wrong but I feel that most of these types will be voting yes.
I think the super senior company guys are far fewer than those who are still bitter about being the lowest paid regional guys in the lost decade and are trying to for once have a decent contract. This new one isn't much of a financial or QOL gain (and is worse in some ways). Most I've talked to see no reason to lock in at least 5 more years of this same substandard nonsense.
08-28-2015, 06:29 PM
#907
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
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I definitely agree. The senior CAs I was referencing are hopefully few and far between.
08-28-2015, 06:34 PM
#909
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
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Might I remind everyone about this term of 5 years on the new contract. In 4 1/2 years we will negotiate a new one. So that means if you vote yes to this awful contract you'll have to live with it for almost 10 whole f-ing years. Because, you know mgmt will drag this lower than low contract out as much as possible. Good luck with that garbage. Vote NO
08-28-2015, 06:42 PM
#910
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Unless JO announces new flying soon, regardless of this vote (unless a landslide no results in a fairly quick TA2 that is more acceptable), a ton of FOs are going to bail and no one will show up for class except a few guys who live in PHX/IAH/DFW/IAD. This could turn real ugly real quick (which is why all this bad language in the TA can and will affect us). But the new flying he will announce will not be enough to stop the future bleeding IMO.
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