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Old 08-27-2015, 10:44 AM
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The "quick" upgrades only apply to those with previous 121 experience. It will take a newhire with no 121 experience about 20 months to amass the required 1000 hours of 121 SIC time here. Whether there are upgrades to be had 20 months from now is anyone's guess.
Does any 135 PIC experience count towards the 1000 hours of 121 experience?

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Old 08-27-2015, 10:54 AM
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Does any 135 PIC experience count towards the 1000 hours of 121 experience?

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Nope because you are starting with 0 121 time..
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:13 AM
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Nope because you are starting with 0 121 time..
It will take longer than 20 months, if you're only flying 25 hours a month. We are really fat on FO's. The fast upgrade for 0 121 time was for 2013 new hires
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:14 AM
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Thanks for the info guys. I was mistakenly under the impression if one was hired on the 175 in June 2014 with no 121 experience they could upgrade within a year and maybe be that May 2014 hire who is junior on the 175.

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Originally Posted by ATOP40
Does any 135 PIC experience count towards the 1000 hours of 121 experience?

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Yes, some 135 time counts. Google it.


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Old 08-27-2015, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ATOP40
Does any 135 PIC experience count towards the 1000 hours of 121 experience?

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There are a lot of confused people, especially at Mesa, about what time counts towards 121 captain eligibility. Its governed by 121.436
Here is the excerpt: ...has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

So yours counts only if it falls under 135.243/a/1. And no deviations from that count. That was a recent big issue when people thought their time counted and it didn't. Oops.
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ATOP40
Thanks for the info guys. I was mistakenly under the impression if one was hired on the 175 in June 2014 with no 121 experience they could upgrade within a year and maybe be that May 2014 hire who is junior on the 175.
You just made some recruiter's day.
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Old 08-27-2015, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
There are a lot of confused people, especially at Mesa, about what time counts towards 121 captain eligibility. Its governed by 121.436
Here is the excerpt: ...has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

So yours counts only if it falls under 135.243/a/1. And no deviations from that count. That was a recent big issue when people thought their time counted and it didn't. Oops.
To add, and simply, the time must be 135 "scheduled" passenger ops. So the Metro or 1900 flown under scheduled cargo ops does not count. On demand 135 passenger ops does not count either. There was a letter of interpretation sent out by the FAA last year that addresses this in terms of cargo scheduled ops. They specifically say it does not count.

Note, 135 scheduled passenger ops is a pretty rare thing. Sea tac is one, Rise aviation is a new one. Pretty rare stuff. Be careful.
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Old 08-27-2015, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
There are a lot of confused people, especially at Mesa, about what time counts towards 121 captain eligibility. Its governed by 121.436
Here is the excerpt: ...has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

So yours counts only if it falls under 135.243/a/1. And no deviations from that count. That was a recent big issue when people thought their time counted and it didn't. Oops.
Interesting, and I can understand confusing. There appears that some may have part 91 or 135 experience count but it seems to be a narrow window. The guys flying cargo in a B1900 or a B99 do not seem to meet these requirements. I found the following link with a response by the FAA:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:14 PM
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Does this look familiar? Read below an article back in 2003. Look who represents the company and ALPA. Same turd different pile.

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