New Mesa Thread
08-16-2015, 07:47 PM
#611
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: E-175 Captain
Posts: 83
I had 3,000 hours 121 turbine time--mostly in JFK/LGA--before even touching the left seat of the EJet at Mesa. Yes, there are lots of newbie green guys who have no business in the left seat blasting around feeling important with their wing-mounted engines and VNAV. Yes--we need to have higher mins for upgrade (ooops left that out of this TA also).
I agree with you completely though--our upgrade mins are way too low. However, there are guys on the 900 in DFW who have the same experience level as a lot of the guys on the EJet--makes no difference what jet you're on--if you don't belong in that seat, you don't belong in that seat.
Come this winter they're going to realize that with the full force of Mother Nature after being in Phoenix/Hawaii/Charlotte for their piddly 1,000 hours of 121 right-seat time--they don't know what they don't know...that's all I can say. I don't envy them at all--even the noobs senior to me.
I agree with you completely though--our upgrade mins are way too low. However, there are guys on the 900 in DFW who have the same experience level as a lot of the guys on the EJet--makes no difference what jet you're on--if you don't belong in that seat, you don't belong in that seat.
Come this winter they're going to realize that with the full force of Mother Nature after being in Phoenix/Hawaii/Charlotte for their piddly 1,000 hours of 121 right-seat time--they don't know what they don't know...that's all I can say. I don't envy them at all--even the noobs senior to me.
08-16-2015, 07:53 PM
#612
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Yep. They've had an easy street to the left seat and have no idea what people before them had to go through to get to it. I totally get that down to my core.
08-16-2015, 08:37 PM
#613
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
There are plenty of freshly minted CRJ Captains who fit the same profile.
08-17-2015, 07:29 AM
#614
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 555
I had 3,000 hours 121 turbine time--mostly in JFK/LGA--before even touching the left seat of the EJet at Mesa. Yes, there are lots of newbie green guys who have no business in the left seat blasting around feeling important with their wing-mounted engines and VNAV. Yes--we need to have higher mins for upgrade (ooops left that out of this TA also).
I agree with you completely though--our upgrade mins are way too low. However, there are guys on the 900 in DFW who have the same experience level as a lot of the guys on the EJet--makes no difference what jet you're on--if you don't belong in that seat, you don't belong in that seat.
Come this winter they're going to realize that with the full force of Mother Nature after being in Phoenix/Hawaii/Charlotte for their piddly 1,000 hours of 121 right-seat time--they don't know what they don't know...that's all I can say. I don't envy them at all--even the noobs senior to me.
I agree with you completely though--our upgrade mins are way too low. However, there are guys on the 900 in DFW who have the same experience level as a lot of the guys on the EJet--makes no difference what jet you're on--if you don't belong in that seat, you don't belong in that seat.
Come this winter they're going to realize that with the full force of Mother Nature after being in Phoenix/Hawaii/Charlotte for their piddly 1,000 hours of 121 right-seat time--they don't know what they don't know...that's all I can say. I don't envy them at all--even the noobs senior to me.
This isn't the first time that something like this has been said. Recalling the numerous Bradley, Ottawa and Toronto flights I experienced last winter, nothing stands out as particularly alarming. You get de-iced, sometimes you have to be careful with braking, don't make a hard 180 on slippery taxiways, etc. The idea that the new captains are somehow going to end up in over their heads in winter because they have fewer hours is ridiculous. Sh*tty pilots can eff up in winter, but that includes pretty much everyone. I've flown with plenty of very experienced captains who scare me a lot more than the new ones. If anything, younger captains stand out to me as the sharp ones.
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08-17-2015, 07:37 AM
#615
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,602
Let me get my violin. The old guys are crying again.
08-17-2015, 08:17 AM
#616
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Can we bash this TA some more? It was nice to see Mesa pilots united behind something for once. I read some of the international section to the SO for a good laugh, and she cleverly noted the company can get out of paying by claiming the "reasonable presumption of the pilot's death." So even our Cartel kidnapping clause has some holes in it. Can a widow file a grievance?
Perhaps we could start throwing around the "S" word too. If only for leverage.
Perhaps we could start throwing around the "S" word too. If only for leverage.
08-17-2015, 08:32 AM
#617
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
Can we bash this TA some more? It was nice to see Mesa pilots united behind something for once. I read some of the international section to the SO for a good laugh, and she cleverly noted the company can get out of paying by claiming the "reasonable presumption of the pilot's death." So even our Cartel kidnapping clause has some holes in it. Can a widow file a grievance?
Perhaps we could start throwing around the "S" word too. If only for leverage.
Perhaps we could start throwing around the "S" word too. If only for leverage.
08-17-2015, 08:55 AM
#618
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Ball Turret Gunner
Posts: 297
Very True, how ever i heard about a real real bad virus that has been going around and causing everyone to call in sick for a day until they got over this horrible sickness. And they all seem to get sick the exact same day at the exact same time.
08-17-2015, 09:12 AM
#619
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,666
I wouldn't even start hinting at any kind of illegal work action....very stupid idea.
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