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08-16-2015, 02:12 PM
#591
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
I agree this TA has major shortcomings. But before I jump on the burn it down bandwagon I think there needs to be a sober discussion about where we go from here and what can realistically be obtained after another 2 or 3 years of negotiations. There are some good things like dropping reserve days and aggressive open time pick up for reserves. Do we want to throw it all out for several more years of status quo? -That is a rhetorical question, I'm not advocating one way or the other. Either way we have several more weeks until a vote. If you've already made up your mind that's great, but it doesn't mean the discussion is over. I admit I was pretty depressed when I saw this TA but maybe it's just because of the reality of our situation. Like someone else said we aren't Delta.
08-16-2015, 02:38 PM
#592
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: CL-65 CA
Posts: 246
I agree this TA has major shortcomings. But before I jump on the burn it down bandwagon I think there needs to be a sober discussion about where we go from here and what can realistically be obtained after another 2 or 3 years of negotiations. There are some good things like dropping reserve days and aggressive open time pick up for reserves. Do we want to throw it all out for several more years of status quo? -That is a rhetorical question, I'm not advocating one way or the other. Either way we have several more weeks until a vote. If you've already made up your mind that's great, but it doesn't mean the discussion is over. I admit I was pretty depressed when I saw this TA but maybe it's just because of the reality of our situation. Like someone else said we aren't Delta.
08-16-2015, 02:48 PM
#593
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,624
I agree this TA has major shortcomings. But before I jump on the burn it down bandwagon I think there needs to be a sober discussion about where we go from here and what can realistically be obtained after another 2 or 3 years of negotiations. There are some good things like dropping reserve days and aggressive open time pick up for reserves. Do we want to throw it all out for several more years of status quo? -That is a rhetorical question, I'm not advocating one way or the other. Either way we have several more weeks until a vote. If you've already made up your mind that's great, but it doesn't mean the discussion is over. I admit I was pretty depressed when I saw this TA but maybe it's just because of the reality of our situation. Like someone else said we aren't Delta.
08-16-2015, 03:08 PM
#594
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: E-175 Captain
Posts: 83
I work at Mesa. I worked at Republic also. I voted no on that contract and I'll vote no on this one. I will not be directly responsible for pilots having 2003 rates in 2019. These wages are a joke. I would rather see the airline go under then see guys stuck at 9 year FO pay making under 40k.. Yes there are lots of Captains that put in time. Well it's a two way street. Don't do the company any favors. The language in this TA is terrible also.
08-16-2015, 04:12 PM
#597
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
I work at Mesa. I worked at Republic also. I voted no on that contract and I'll vote no on this one. I will not be directly responsible for pilots having 2003 rates in 2019. These wages are a joke. I would rather see the airline go under then see guys stuck at 9 year FO pay making under 40k.. Yes there are lots of Captains that put in time. Well it's a two way street. Don't do the company any favors. The language in this TA is terrible also.
08-16-2015, 04:15 PM
#598
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: E-175 Captain
Posts: 83
Well, last amended 2008. But the truth is, we aren't gaining much by passing it. The pilots in the future will hopefully have better leverage to get better rates than this. But these rates are worse than every regional in the industry. They are lower than republics expired contract rates. These are truths.
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08-16-2015, 04:16 PM
#599
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,602
Prior is right, there is no reason to even be talking about this anymore. Vote No
08-16-2015, 05:03 PM
#600
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,198
We need to start discussion how we are going to clean house of the MEC, removing everyone. No more 92 hour guarantees for them!
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