New Mesa Thread
08-15-2015, 06:32 PM
#571
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 71
Gotcha. Dident understand the context their. Well even the most sr of pilots that I have flow with recently are saying he'll no. they ask 2 questions. 1. Is their a Pay increase? 2. Do we have better Insurance? you answer no and no. Their response is voting no. Their seems to be a big disconnect with the mec.
#hillaryforprison2016
PS: If you are planning to vote "no" on the contract, then please vote.
I'm mostly joking. Sort of...
Make America great again. Vote no.
08-15-2015, 06:34 PM
#572
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Well let's burn it down then. If our voting 'no' would actually cause a problem for Mesa, I'd be happy to lose my job over it. It'd be "fun", and great to rid the regional industry of it's lowest bottom feeder. I'm wondering, though, would voting it down actually be a win for management? Unfortunately, most pilots here have families to support, and the super-senior group would be hard pressed to start over.
08-15-2015, 06:56 PM
#573
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: Yellow Bus
Posts: 355
wow, that TA is really crappy. It's a shame that's what they think of you guys and that's all your worth. Not even 100% deadhead pay or 1.65 regional standard per diem....I'd vote "h.ell no!"
You are all just as qualified as any mainline pilot; demand more, fight for what you're worth.
You are all just as qualified as any mainline pilot; demand more, fight for what you're worth.
08-15-2015, 07:00 PM
#574
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: Yellow Bus
Posts: 355
Delta voted no on a 20% pay raise, they realized that the rest of contract was less than their worth. Sack up like they did.
08-15-2015, 07:25 PM
#575
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
Rightfully under the current contact. If the new one is voted in, then they would be rightful to bid E-Jet and displace those Captains. Not picking on you, just saying, if it is in the contract, then it is fair. It was agreed upon. No different then the 2 yr captains vs 14 yr captains having the same seniority now. So your best bet is to not vote it in then if you don't like it. I like this clause of 1 percent, but still voting no because of how much of a mess the new TA would bring.
08-15-2015, 07:59 PM
#576
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Fair enough. It's not even my biggest beef I'm a lot more unhappy about the time balancing for reserves. If I could take a red pen and cross out 3 or 4 paragraphs I might vote yes but as it stands the union guys are going to have to do one heck of a sales job if they want this to pass.
The only appreciable increase in pay comes from elimination of 50 seat base pay, which JO should be embarrassed about anyway for his redefining of the word stingy. Same with KCM. Those shouldn't even be points of negotiation or considered wins for the negotiating committee. Those are bare bones standard rewrites of definitions and closing of loopholes management has boned us with, not an increase in anything.
So where are we at? No realized gains (even some losses) in the reserve language, a lot of vagueness that the company will exploit, and no real pay raises.
Why am I going to vote this in again? How much more money will be in my pocket each year if we vote it in vs not? I'll tell you what, my principles and standing for who we are and what we are worth as professional aviators are worth far more than what that (small) number would be.
08-15-2015, 08:19 PM
#577
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
Are you saying you would re-vote in our current contract? That's all crossing out 3-4 paragraphs would effectively do. FO pay is less than a dollar raise. $0.29 raise for 2nd year FOs and I think $0.20 for 3rd year FOs. Captain pay isn't really increased either. Our basis for negotiation should be 700 pay at 700 rates and 175/900 pay at 79 seat pay effective now and increasing a decent amount for the next 5 years. Don't spend all that extra money in one place!
The only appreciable increase in pay comes from elimination of 50 seat base pay, which JO should be embarrassed about anyway for his redefining of the word stingy. Same with KCM. Those shouldn't even be points of negotiation or considered wins for the negotiating committee. Those are bare bones standard rewrites of definitions and closing of loopholes management has boned us with, not an increase in anything.
So where are we at? No realized gains (even some losses) in the reserve language, a lot of vagueness that the company will exploit, and no real pay raises.
Why am I going to vote this in again? How much more money will be in my pocket each year if we vote it in vs not? I'll tell you what, my principles and standing for who we are and what we are worth as professional aviators are worth far more than what that (small) number would be.
The only appreciable increase in pay comes from elimination of 50 seat base pay, which JO should be embarrassed about anyway for his redefining of the word stingy. Same with KCM. Those shouldn't even be points of negotiation or considered wins for the negotiating committee. Those are bare bones standard rewrites of definitions and closing of loopholes management has boned us with, not an increase in anything.
So where are we at? No realized gains (even some losses) in the reserve language, a lot of vagueness that the company will exploit, and no real pay raises.
Why am I going to vote this in again? How much more money will be in my pocket each year if we vote it in vs not? I'll tell you what, my principles and standing for who we are and what we are worth as professional aviators are worth far more than what that (small) number would be.
08-15-2015, 09:51 PM
#578
Administrator
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: C-172
Posts: 8,024
Mod Note:
Ok boys and girls. It's late over here in little old Seattle and I thought I would check on you before going for much needed beauty sleep. And what do I find? Profanity and the usual kindergarten my pee pee is bigger than yours, etc etc.
I'm on my worthless tablet so can only delete those posts I find objectionable. If any of them was yours and you'd like to repost, do so after cleaning it up. Tomorrow, however, I am back on the computer and won't be as forgiving.
Ok boys and girls. It's late over here in little old Seattle and I thought I would check on you before going for much needed beauty sleep. And what do I find? Profanity and the usual kindergarten my pee pee is bigger than yours, etc etc.
I'm on my worthless tablet so can only delete those posts I find objectionable. If any of them was yours and you'd like to repost, do so after cleaning it up. Tomorrow, however, I am back on the computer and won't be as forgiving.
08-15-2015, 10:07 PM
#579
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Comes down to this. If you have a job to do and can't do it well, don't take the job. If you can't negotiate a contract then you don't need to be a part of the mec. Harsh but that's life. If this airline can not fly trips and pay a slightly less than avrage wage they don't need to exist. When does this come out for a vote any way. Haven't seen any announcements yet.
08-15-2015, 11:38 PM
#580
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Mod Note:
Ok boys and girls. It's late over here in little old Seattle and I thought I would check on you before going for much needed beauty sleep. And what do I find? Profanity and the usual kindergarten my pee pee is bigger than yours, etc etc.
I'm on my worthless tablet so can only delete those posts I find objectionable. If any of them was yours and you'd like to repost, do so after cleaning it up. Tomorrow, however, I am back on the computer and won't be as forgiving.
Ok boys and girls. It's late over here in little old Seattle and I thought I would check on you before going for much needed beauty sleep. And what do I find? Profanity and the usual kindergarten my pee pee is bigger than yours, etc etc.
I'm on my worthless tablet so can only delete those posts I find objectionable. If any of them was yours and you'd like to repost, do so after cleaning it up. Tomorrow, however, I am back on the computer and won't be as forgiving.
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