wt932051

You guys all need to get out of Mesa. Mesa has skated on thin ice for it's entire life and if you keep thinking it will get better, keep dreaming. You work at the lowest paid regional (contractor) there is and it will never change. ScottyDo I must say we warned you before you came to Mesa. I think BeatNavy is spot on with his comments. You need to get out and stop hoping for the better contract/pilot shortage to happen. If it does, kiss Mesa goodbye. They can't compete with the other regionals.

iFlyRC

With the amount of movement on every new roster that comes out, it paints a picture that is telling of the mindset of the pilots. I don't think there is any Mesa pilot that expects Mesa to survive when the LCC's and majors really open the floodgates. Even JO stated on a conference call,"We don't know what we are going to do"

HighFlight

Pretty inaccurate statement on your part. Mine, however, was pretty much spot on.

Whom I work for has no bearing on my observations.

tinman1

Sounds like ScottyDo needs to ScottyDon't for awhile

ScottyDo

Don't what? Discourage people from coming here and telling them the truth? Makes great sense, thanks for sharing.

ScottyDo

Funny, acorridng to APC you wernt even on the forum when I got hired in 2014. But if you really think waving guys on over here like we are paid recruiters or something helps our contract hopes for guys that really deserve industry average pay, the FO's then I must be completely lost somewhere on this.

wt932051

I was on other forums and I joined APC on 8-17-2014. We both joined APC that same day, which is odd, so you would have seen all of my posts. So what you are saying then is you were hired at Mesa then joined APC to find out about Mesa??? If you had done your homework and looked at any of these forums before you were hired you would have had plenty of warning from everyone not to come to Mesa and yet you still did for a quick upgrade that JO promised you. If you decided not to find out and join APC until after you were hired well, that is your fault. I don't feel sorry for you one bit. There is so much info out in the world to stay away but people still come. Either make the best of it or move on. Mesa will never get better as much as I wish it would. JO has no reason too. Enjoy it or get out. You have a choice. Just don't make the cockpit miserable for the other guy/gal with your complaining all the time.

ScottyDo

You realize right that back in 2014 the difference between Xjet Mesa and Envoy first year pay was only one dollar? We can "wish" Mesa can get better all we want but until we keep people from coming in the door JO will have no other reason to give is industry average pay. Why is that so hard to understand?

wt932051

I do understand. I get what you are saying. What I am saying is you telling people not to come here won't make it happen. Attrition will. I have learned this from my time being at Mesa. The pilots who do come here only want to believe what they want to be true. If Mesa tells them they will upgrade fast, they will come here. They are not going to listen to you. The only thing that will kill Mesa is attrition. It almost did back in 2008. Then age 65 happened and Mesa remained alive. What you are wishing for is a pilot hiring shortage and like I said, I doubt it will happen no matter how much you tell people not to come. If it does, Mesa will not survive in this environment. That is my point. So either leave or make the best of your time at Mesa. Mesa is like stacking cards, you never know when they will fall.

ScottyDo you really should move on from Mesa. Plenty of places hiring. Nothing holding you back in this day and age. I recommend it. You will be happier.

tinman1

Dude, shut your yapper and listen to your peers for a minute. Nobody (sans the recruiters) is advocating for anyone to come here right now. Several of us just find it highly ironic that you so flagrantly advise against new people coming here yet you refuse to follow thru and lead by example, all for the selfish illusion that our pilot group will just magically gain an industry average contract when fresh bodies stop showing up to new hire class. How incredibly naive of you. Have you seen our union? Mesa will majorly scale back before a good contract is passed. And even if it did happen, it would take so long that the entire regional landscape will have shifted into an entirely different business model by then. Don't fool yourself into thinking that lack of staffing equals better pay. I just upgraded and I'm looking for greener pastures that doesn't include a lateral move or Allegiant.

Arm people with the facts, present a realist attitude, and let them decide what is best for themselves. That is exactly what you, me, and everyone else did before coming here. Again, step back and listen to your peers...