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Old 04-05-2016, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by prydb
Where in our contract does it talk about street captains? How can the company in one mail tell the FOs on property to make sure the recommendations are within 6 months and in another talk about hiring captains from the street. How will the street captains fulfilled section 11E 5, and get recommendations if they are directly trained for that seat. Can the company call it operational necessity and disregard that part?

Or is it just a way for the company get people talking and get more people in the door and at the same time rattle some FOs into upgrade into the CRJ instead of waiting for the E-jet?
Why wouldnt anyone want CRJ captain?
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Old 04-05-2016, 03:35 PM
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Why wouldnt anyone want CRJ captain?
Less movement on the captain side. Wayyyy more lifer crj captains. I think the thought process of most people is wait an extra month or two as an FO vs. Being in stagnation as a crj captain.
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Old 04-05-2016, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by prydb
Where in our contract does it talk about street captains? How can the company in one mail tell the FOs on property to make sure the recommendations are within 6 months and in another talk about hiring captains from the street. How will the street captains fulfilled section 11E 5, and get recommendations if they are directly trained for that seat. Can the company call it operational necessity and disregard that part?

Or is it just a way for the company get people talking and get more people in the door and at the same time rattle some FOs into upgrade into the CRJ instead of waiting for the E-jet?
23.B.6.b Vacancies may be filled by a new hire pilot or through assignment of a junior qualified pilot system-wide, at Company discretion.

As usual, they're opting for the new-hire pilot option instead of junior assigning people to the left seat in a base they don't want.
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Old 04-05-2016, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Hmm Flaps... Perhaps the E-Jet bubble you're locked into is the equivelent of wearing blinders, at least based on the newest standing bid email!!!!
"We are at a point with CRJ CA bids that, should we not be able to fill classes again on this run of 16-10, we will need to go to the option of hiring street captains on the next award".
So yes! The quick upgrade train is alive and well! To the guy who says he can't hold a CA position, you are full of it, or something is wrong with your upgrade bid
See, I told you guys. This guy is definitely a management/recruiter man. He lies like a recruiter (we have the hottest flight attendants), and says come here for the super quick upgrade. OK. Truth: There are at least 100 first officers looking for upgrade in the 2014 hire pool. You WILL NOT get a quick upgrade. There has not been a upgrade class for DFW in months. Oh, and Mr. "Out of trim" I can hear you cry from here. Lol
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MachTwo
See, I told you guys. This guy is definitely a management/recruiter man. He lies like a recruiter (we have the hottest flight attendants), and says come here for the super quick upgrade. OK. Truth: There are at least 100 first officers looking for upgrade in the 2014 hire pool. You WILL NOT get a quick upgrade. There has not been a upgrade class for DFW in months. Oh, and Mr. "Out of trim" I can hear you cry from here. Lol
If you are a 2014 hire and haven't upgraded yet. It means your not smart enough to submit a Capt qualification worksheet or you only want the shiny Ejet. It's not some conspirecy theory that the company might need to go to street Capts. They had almost no one bid for the crj on this last bid.
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MachTwo
See, I told you guys. This guy is definitely a management/recruiter man. He lies like a recruiter (we have the hottest flight attendants), and says come here for the super quick upgrade. OK. Truth: There are at least 100 first officers looking for upgrade in the 2014 hire pool. You WILL NOT get a quick upgrade. There has not been a upgrade class for DFW in months. Oh, and Mr. "Out of trim" I can hear you cry from here. Lol
Yep, you got me... Theres a couple of people on here who know who I am, and they are probaly laughing pretty hard right now. I was never part of the instant gratification crowd that so many complainers on here are obviously from... You go from zero jet time to the right seat of a 82,000lb jet and get ****y that you don't have 4 bars after two years... I got very lucky but I never expected it, and I wouldn't be *****ing about it if I didn't get it. There are so many pilots at Mesa who have had it much worse than all you new guys complaining. Even if it takes four years for you to upgrade, you would still be considered one of the lucky ones. Try 8 years, then getting down graded for a few years to finally be a CA again? My Envoy buddy was only on reserve for 5 years as a commuter. What a bunch of self entitled, instant gratification millenial whiners!
Am I a management type for believing that there is no one out to get us at the company? Am I a management type for believing this company will do what it says? I honestly believe they will need street captains if no one applies for a CRJ CA spot. My friend at Envoy would come here for that.
And if people refuse to upgrade to the CRJ, they must not need the near 100% pay increase... That tells more than anything.
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:09 PM
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So can a new hire in training with 2000 hours part 121 bid CRJ CA right away?
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:16 PM
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You might not get it, but you can bid for whatever you want.

And if they were REALLY desperate, they could always open up CA vacancies in PHX and DFW and then TDY or route people to IAD or wherever.
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MachTwo
No you cannot. I have been with Mesa for a year. Been on reserve for 8 months. Worse 8 months of my career. (They really abuse you). I am looking for at least another year to year and a half to upgrade, and I have the 1000 hours. The recruiter just LIED. Go for the pay and QOL. That's not Mesa.
You've been here a year and on reserve for 8 months. Which means that it took you 4 months to get through training and have actually only been flying for 8 months. And you're crying about how you haven't been able to upgrade yet! Good lord man, no upgrade after flying for 8 whole months! Do you even realize how silly you sound? My guess is that it's true ... you won't upgrade anytime soon here at Mesa. But not because Mesa's the problem, but because your flying sucks and you're an immature little punk. So, yeah, you're probably better off taking your vast 8 months of (bad) career experience elsewhere like you keep spouting off about because I'll bet Mesa's also got your number. Word to your mommy.

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Old 04-06-2016, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MachTwo
Wow! I thought that finding another job was hard. Mesa, got to say goodbye. I found a new gig within a week. Pays more than double, and benefits are “way better”. No OBAMACARE for me. You all enjoy your less than adequate pay and benefits, for the hope of an early upgrade. It will not happen. All of the upgrades in the next 3-4 years are already on the property. So you can take your $22.00/hr and OBAMACARE, and……………….. Peace out.
This is JO (you're obviously dumb enough to believe that). Please, quit. All of your previous posts are just Mesa bashing garbage. I hope I fly with you and you start complaining.
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