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08-15-2015, 07:23 AM
#521
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
I agree the LCR is loose. In the current contract it says they will offer LCR "should staffing permit". The TA language is very similar. It seems all the company would have to do is to claim that LCR requires additional staffing and then refuse to provide it. Alternatively, the company can set the reserve buffers so that everyone who gets awarded LCR will be called to SCR, nullifying the LCR. Setting the buffers was something the company was not willing to negotiate on according to the union officers I spoke with.
08-15-2015, 08:17 AM
#522
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
Agreed. I don't see anything that compels the company to actually use it since they can just claim staffing and it goes away. And all they had to do was add a sentence or two that they can't convert you to SCR more than X numbers of days per month but as it's written it's unlimited. As to how it would actually work I'm envisioning a lot of 2 AM wake up calls for a 2 PM report time and randomly commuting in to do SCR in the middle of your RSV days.
08-15-2015, 08:28 AM
#523
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
Just to clarify with the reserve guys/gals, as it has been a few months since I bid a reserve line, after coming back from a trip/turn/leg, they always put me on FDP which is an hour and a half callout. They only called me back a handful of times of which I had an hour and a half. They couldn't put me on ready only regular under these new FDP interpretations in this case. When they marked FDP on me, it was 1 1/2 callout. When they assigned me ready for the next day it was marked R08 if I remember right.
Did this change?
BTW I am not talking about line holders just reserves. FDP means different for line holders. Its just a placeholder.
Whole reason I ask is because the new TA states one of the things they can do to a reserve line holder after completing a flight is to place him/her on Ready. This is contradicting how it was when I was doing it.
Thanks
Did this change?
BTW I am not talking about line holders just reserves. FDP means different for line holders. Its just a placeholder.
Whole reason I ask is because the new TA states one of the things they can do to a reserve line holder after completing a flight is to place him/her on Ready. This is contradicting how it was when I was doing it.
Thanks
08-15-2015, 08:35 AM
#524
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
They can put you on ready reserve now. They just don't as you get paid for the flying done AND the ready shift
QUOTE=wt932051;1949792]Just to clarify with the reserve guys/gals, as it has been a few months since I bid a reserve line, after coming back from a trip/turn/leg, they always put me on FDP which is an hour and a half callout. They only called me back a handful of times of which I had an hour and a half. They couldn't put me on ready only regular under these new FDP interpretations in this case. When they marked FDP on me, it was 1 1/2 callout. When they assigned me ready for the next day it was marked R08 if I remember right.
Did this change?
BTW I am not talking about line holders just reserves. FDP means different for line holders. Its just a placeholder.
Whole reason I ask is because the new TA states one of the things they can do to a reserve line holder after completing a flight is to place him/her on Ready. This is contradicting how it was when I was doing it.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=wt932051;1949792]Just to clarify with the reserve guys/gals, as it has been a few months since I bid a reserve line, after coming back from a trip/turn/leg, they always put me on FDP which is an hour and a half callout. They only called me back a handful of times of which I had an hour and a half. They couldn't put me on ready only regular under these new FDP interpretations in this case. When they marked FDP on me, it was 1 1/2 callout. When they assigned me ready for the next day it was marked R08 if I remember right.
Did this change?
BTW I am not talking about line holders just reserves. FDP means different for line holders. Its just a placeholder.
Whole reason I ask is because the new TA states one of the things they can do to a reserve line holder after completing a flight is to place him/her on Ready. This is contradicting how it was when I was doing it.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
08-15-2015, 08:40 AM
#525
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
I agree they payed more doing that, but they did that before anyway. They didn't care. This was a bonus to us, and we lost this with the new regs. Our current contract states they can, but per the new FAR's they cannot now. So basically we lost this extra pay that was possible in the current contract. I remember this much.
I think it was clarified in one of those FDP clarifications though.
I remember after reading one, I called the Chief Pilot and he confirmed, after finishing a flight as a reserve pilot, they are not allowed to put you back on ready reserve at the end, only regular. They could assign you ready before a flight, just not after. That's the problem. It's not in the current contract. These are new regs. It was in an email Mesa sent with clarifications from the FAA.
Before that, Mesa always assigned ready reserve like it was going out of style.
Found a link:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
I think it was clarified in one of those FDP clarifications though.
I remember after reading one, I called the Chief Pilot and he confirmed, after finishing a flight as a reserve pilot, they are not allowed to put you back on ready reserve at the end, only regular. They could assign you ready before a flight, just not after. That's the problem. It's not in the current contract. These are new regs. It was in an email Mesa sent with clarifications from the FAA.
Before that, Mesa always assigned ready reserve like it was going out of style.
Found a link:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
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08-15-2015, 08:57 AM
#526
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
If we as a pilot group vote in this bottom feeding contract, it will stick with every Mesa pilot throughout our career. When we sit across the interview board of a legacy, will you be able to justify how you voted? Think GoJet 1.0. Or the original Freedom. (No, it's not as bad as alter ego airlines, but we are being asked to take a subpar contract in a time when demand is starting to outpace supply) We will be stuck with the stigma of keeping the industry at crappy levels for at least the next five years out of pure selfishness.
08-15-2015, 09:18 AM
#527
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: E175 Captain
Posts: 49
I get that the profit margins are thin. I understand the business side of it. However, I also understand the labor side of things. Yes, there needs to be increases in pay. But there are also other ways to add financial gain to employees. The high cost of health insurance was not addressed at all.
I am covered with my wife's employer so this does not affect me. But it does affect those I work with. Bringing in an outside insurance vendor to a large work force could reduce the premiums and make health care affordable to everyone.
There are other things that should have been touched on as well. The reserve buffer for one. One month the buffer it is 12 and the next it is 20. There needs to be a guideline in place so that these numbers are not random. If this process is not random then the process needs to be agreed upon by both labor and management. We need a published formula that everyone understands.
I am covered with my wife's employer so this does not affect me. But it does affect those I work with. Bringing in an outside insurance vendor to a large work force could reduce the premiums and make health care affordable to everyone.
There are other things that should have been touched on as well. The reserve buffer for one. One month the buffer it is 12 and the next it is 20. There needs to be a guideline in place so that these numbers are not random. If this process is not random then the process needs to be agreed upon by both labor and management. We need a published formula that everyone understands.
08-15-2015, 09:23 AM
#528
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
I wanted to like this TA, I really did. But I think we left money on the table and the so called quality of life improvements are marginal at best. And there are enough questionable items to there where I might just be content to keep the status quo. Did anyone catch the new fleet transfer language giving the top 1% displacement rights? No Bueno.
08-15-2015, 09:30 AM
#529
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,666
I agree they payed more doing that, but they did that before anyway. They didn't care. This was a bonus to us, and we lost this with the new regs. Our current contract states they can, but per the new FAR's they cannot now. So basically we lost this extra pay that was possible in the current contract. I remember this much.
I think it was clarified in one of those FDP clarifications though.
I remember after reading one, I called the Chief Pilot and he confirmed, after finishing a flight as a reserve pilot, they are not allowed to put you back on ready reserve at the end, only regular. They could assign you ready before a flight, just not after. That's the problem. It's not in the current contract. These are new regs. It was in an email Mesa sent with clarifications from the FAA.
Before that, Mesa always assigned ready reserve like it was going out of style.
Found a link:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
I think it was clarified in one of those FDP clarifications though.
I remember after reading one, I called the Chief Pilot and he confirmed, after finishing a flight as a reserve pilot, they are not allowed to put you back on ready reserve at the end, only regular. They could assign you ready before a flight, just not after. That's the problem. It's not in the current contract. These are new regs. It was in an email Mesa sent with clarifications from the FAA.
Before that, Mesa always assigned ready reserve like it was going out of style.
Found a link:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
I think this interpretation addresses the issue. They can place you on ready reserve after a flight. See the answer to the last question...it seems pretty cut and dried to me.
08-15-2015, 09:34 AM
#530
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,666
I get that the profit margins are thin. I understand the business side of it. However, I also understand the labor side of things. Yes, there needs to be increases in pay. But there are also other ways to add financial gain to employees. The high cost of health insurance was not addressed at all.
I am covered with my wife's employer so this does not affect me. But it does affect those I work with. Bringing in an outside insurance vendor to a large work force could reduce the premiums and make health care affordable to everyone.
There are other things that should have been touched on as well. The reserve buffer for one. One month the buffer it is 12 and the next it is 20. There needs to be a guideline in place so that these numbers are not random. If this process is not random then the process needs to be agreed upon by both labor and management. We need a published formula that everyone understands.
I am covered with my wife's employer so this does not affect me. But it does affect those I work with. Bringing in an outside insurance vendor to a large work force could reduce the premiums and make health care affordable to everyone.
There are other things that should have been touched on as well. The reserve buffer for one. One month the buffer it is 12 and the next it is 20. There needs to be a guideline in place so that these numbers are not random. If this process is not random then the process needs to be agreed upon by both labor and management. We need a published formula that everyone understands.
They did not address insurance cost because less than 1/3 of the pilot group use Mesa's insurance. That was ALPA's choice not to even put that on the table.
They did attempt to negotiate on the buffers and the company would not budge.
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