New Mesa Thread
03-14-2016, 11:24 AM
#5081
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If you have an offer from the FAA it should be a no brainer. I spent 25 years as a center controller and now fly for a regional. Our son is a controller and after 3 years makes $140K/yr. I have a six figure pension for the rest of my life and I'm still young enough to enjoy things. I retired at 49. If you think you can spend a couple years at a regional and be a prime candidate for a major airline then I can only say you and 15,000 other pilots have that idea.
Seriously can't believe anyone would consider coming to Mesa in this hiring environment--maybe the cat is finally out of the bag?
03-14-2016, 11:46 AM
#5082
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Where is ALPA to denounce the hiring of pilots strictly via phone calls?Mesa has been doing this for some time now and it is shameful. For every cold call that Mesa makes, there ought to be at least some sort of response from the pilot group/ALPA, whether public or in private response to the company.
03-14-2016, 02:09 PM
#5083
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Where is ALPA to denounce the hiring of pilots strictly via phone calls?Mesa has been doing this for some time now and it is shameful. For every cold call that Mesa makes, there ought to be at least some sort of response from the pilot group/ALPA, whether public or in private response to the company.
Mesa's growth "engine" is about to compressor-stall and flameout: when you see increasing numbers of CAs and FOs leaving from all segments of the seniority list (and that is what I am seeing), and a training pipeline backing-up due to increasing sims and (from what I've heard) decreasing new hire proficiency--well, at some point the new "air" coming in isn't coming in fast enough, the axial flow is disrupted, and she's gonna flameout.
Maybe JO will secure some sort of flow or preferential hiring agreement to act as a kind of "FADEC"/control module for the ole' girl--to tweak those stator vanes/fuel nozzles and gain some control over the attrition/movement--most people I know here would strongly reconsider moves to LCCs/foreign ops/corporate jobs if there was some sort of defined progression/preferential hiring from within Mesa's ranks to a legacy (like many other regionals have secured)...the problem being Mesa flies for both AA and UAL, and people are constantly hopping around/between both systems. So it's highly unlikely a pref hiring agreement would ever be secured with either partner--even if it meant us sending back/cancelling all of our dirt-cheap feed.
Attrition is much easier to plan and staff for when it's linear--Captains leaving off the middle and top, FOs backfilling the CAs, new hires backfilling the upgrading FOs. Attrition causes massive problems when it's coming from all over the CA & FO lists--and that's what I'm seeing start to happen. You need axial flow to keep the engine burning, especially if you're already burning it at max temp!!!
Sorry for the douchey jet engine analogy but I think it works here.
03-14-2016, 02:14 PM
#5084
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
Where is ALPA to denounce the hiring of pilots strictly via phone calls?Mesa has been doing this for some time now and it is shameful. For every cold call that Mesa makes, there ought to be at least some sort of response from the pilot group/ALPA, whether public or in private response to the company.
03-14-2016, 03:05 PM
#5085
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Well, most people around here think ALPA is supposed to be their fairy godmother and instead just refuses to put out, therefore making their lives miserable.
Translation: most on this board have no idea what a union can or can't do under the RLA.
Translation: most on this board have no idea what a union can or can't do under the RLA.
03-14-2016, 03:12 PM
#5086
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Totally agree based on what I see on here
03-14-2016, 03:24 PM
#5087
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 373
No one cares anymore--most of the pilot group has simply given up on ever getting another penny out of JO or making life even marginally-better for the folks who are going to be stuck here a bit longer getting their hours. Instead, most people are seeing the massive opportunities elsewhere (both lateral and "above"), and focusing on getting the he11 outta here before the whole MAG dog & pony show is over (and it's almost over).
Mesa's growth "engine" is about to compressor-stall and flameout: when you see increasing numbers of CAs and FOs leaving from all segments of the seniority list (and that is what I am seeing), and a training pipeline backing-up due to increasing sims and (from what I've heard) decreasing new hire proficiency--well, at some point the new "air" coming in isn't coming in fast enough, the axial flow is disrupted, and she's gonna flameout.
Maybe JO will secure some sort of flow or preferential hiring agreement to act as a kind of "FADEC"/control module for the ole' girl--to tweak those stator vanes/fuel nozzles and gain some control over the attrition/movement--most people I know here would strongly reconsider moves to LCCs/foreign ops/corporate jobs if there was some sort of defined progression/preferential hiring from within Mesa's ranks to a legacy (like many other regionals have secured)...the problem being Mesa flies for both AA and UAL, and people are constantly hopping around/between both systems. So it's highly unlikely a pref hiring agreement would ever be secured with either partner--even if it meant us sending back/cancelling all of our dirt-cheap feed.
Attrition is much easier to plan and staff for when it's linear--Captains leaving off the middle and top, FOs backfilling the CAs, new hires backfilling the upgrading FOs. Attrition causes massive problems when it's coming from all over the CA & FO lists--and that's what I'm seeing start to happen. You need axial flow to keep the engine burning, especially if you're already burning it at max temp!!!
Sorry for the douchey jet engine analogy but I think it works here.
Mesa's growth "engine" is about to compressor-stall and flameout: when you see increasing numbers of CAs and FOs leaving from all segments of the seniority list (and that is what I am seeing), and a training pipeline backing-up due to increasing sims and (from what I've heard) decreasing new hire proficiency--well, at some point the new "air" coming in isn't coming in fast enough, the axial flow is disrupted, and she's gonna flameout.
Maybe JO will secure some sort of flow or preferential hiring agreement to act as a kind of "FADEC"/control module for the ole' girl--to tweak those stator vanes/fuel nozzles and gain some control over the attrition/movement--most people I know here would strongly reconsider moves to LCCs/foreign ops/corporate jobs if there was some sort of defined progression/preferential hiring from within Mesa's ranks to a legacy (like many other regionals have secured)...the problem being Mesa flies for both AA and UAL, and people are constantly hopping around/between both systems. So it's highly unlikely a pref hiring agreement would ever be secured with either partner--even if it meant us sending back/cancelling all of our dirt-cheap feed.
Attrition is much easier to plan and staff for when it's linear--Captains leaving off the middle and top, FOs backfilling the CAs, new hires backfilling the upgrading FOs. Attrition causes massive problems when it's coming from all over the CA & FO lists--and that's what I'm seeing start to happen. You need axial flow to keep the engine burning, especially if you're already burning it at max temp!!!
Sorry for the douchey jet engine analogy but I think it works here.
Welp, my AQP prep is done. Thanks!
03-14-2016, 03:46 PM
#5088
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
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flaps, in regard to a hypothetical flow or interview, that may need to be the future of non wholly-owned's like us. Didn't ExpressJet just get something along those lines with United? I understand United wouldn't offer a straight-up flow, probably, but what about an interview after X years of service when your number comes up? That would be an incredibly easy, no-obligation approach for mainline to keep their feed going.
If not, most non-lifers will skip town for an LCC/major at their earliest opportunity, and I don't just mean from Mesa.
If not, most non-lifers will skip town for an LCC/major at their earliest opportunity, and I don't just mean from Mesa.
03-14-2016, 10:30 PM
#5089
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For many reasons...
First of all, Mesa has been perverting the act of the professional pilot interview/hiring for some time now. As an ALPA carrier, ALPA as a whole should be completely embarrassed by this and therefore be doing anything they can to put a stop to it. At the very least ALPA national should put out a press release to publicly denounce it, saying how they don't endorse this type of behavior.
Besides that, ALPA, especially Mesa ALPA, is always in need of a bargaining chip. Nothing will change at Mesa as long as butts are filling seats, and the way Mesa is doing that is unacceptable. ALPA should be doing anything they can to make it harder for Mesa to fill classes. ALPA should be denouncing this on every website and every rep should be doing the same. Congressmen should be notified and anything that can be done to put this in front of the public should be done. Anderson Cooper should be doing an interview with Mesa over the phone. That part where our recruiter says "you're hired" would be gold.
Maybe none of this works, but why not make an effort?
Also, I hate to say it, but our job security is on the line. These pilots who are dusting off their pilot certs, who don't belong at the controls of a jet, much less a Cessna, are a visual approach away from creating headline news. This is a safety issue!
First of all, Mesa has been perverting the act of the professional pilot interview/hiring for some time now. As an ALPA carrier, ALPA as a whole should be completely embarrassed by this and therefore be doing anything they can to put a stop to it. At the very least ALPA national should put out a press release to publicly denounce it, saying how they don't endorse this type of behavior.
Besides that, ALPA, especially Mesa ALPA, is always in need of a bargaining chip. Nothing will change at Mesa as long as butts are filling seats, and the way Mesa is doing that is unacceptable. ALPA should be doing anything they can to make it harder for Mesa to fill classes. ALPA should be denouncing this on every website and every rep should be doing the same. Congressmen should be notified and anything that can be done to put this in front of the public should be done. Anderson Cooper should be doing an interview with Mesa over the phone. That part where our recruiter says "you're hired" would be gold.
Maybe none of this works, but why not make an effort?
Also, I hate to say it, but our job security is on the line. These pilots who are dusting off their pilot certs, who don't belong at the controls of a jet, much less a Cessna, are a visual approach away from creating headline news. This is a safety issue!
03-15-2016, 06:29 AM
#5090
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 109
For many reasons...
First of all, Mesa has been perverting the act of the professional pilot interview/hiring for some time now. As an ALPA carrier, ALPA as a whole should be completely embarrassed by this and therefore be doing anything they can to put a stop to it. At the very least ALPA national should put out a press release to publicly denounce it, saying how they don't endorse this type of behavior.
Besides that, ALPA, especially Mesa ALPA, is always in need of a bargaining chip. Nothing will change at Mesa as long as butts are filling seats, and the way Mesa is doing that is unacceptable. ALPA should be doing anything they can to make it harder for Mesa to fill classes. ALPA should be denouncing this on every website and every rep should be doing the same. Congressmen should be notified and anything that can be done to put this in front of the public should be done. Anderson Cooper should be doing an interview with Mesa over the phone. That part where our recruiter says "you're hired" would be gold.
Maybe none of this works, but why not make an effort?
Also, I hate to say it, but our job security is on the line. These pilots who are dusting off their pilot certs, who don't belong at the controls of a jet, much less a Cessna, are a visual approach away from creating headline news. This is a safety issue!
First of all, Mesa has been perverting the act of the professional pilot interview/hiring for some time now. As an ALPA carrier, ALPA as a whole should be completely embarrassed by this and therefore be doing anything they can to put a stop to it. At the very least ALPA national should put out a press release to publicly denounce it, saying how they don't endorse this type of behavior.
Besides that, ALPA, especially Mesa ALPA, is always in need of a bargaining chip. Nothing will change at Mesa as long as butts are filling seats, and the way Mesa is doing that is unacceptable. ALPA should be doing anything they can to make it harder for Mesa to fill classes. ALPA should be denouncing this on every website and every rep should be doing the same. Congressmen should be notified and anything that can be done to put this in front of the public should be done. Anderson Cooper should be doing an interview with Mesa over the phone. That part where our recruiter says "you're hired" would be gold.
Maybe none of this works, but why not make an effort?
Also, I hate to say it, but our job security is on the line. These pilots who are dusting off their pilot certs, who don't belong at the controls of a jet, much less a Cessna, are a visual approach away from creating headline news. This is a safety issue!
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