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Old 03-11-2016, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
Most likely this is not true.

You dont see any cost savings measures being taken in training, with tons of extra sim time and rechecks being offered. Hotels are still single occupancy.

We are the lowest paid pilots in the industry with Mesa contributing the lowest to our benefit package. The cost structure here is prime for profit.

Most likely, the reason we are not building a hanger is because the rumors of us moving to PHX maybe true.
The MEC met in PHX this week. Why don't you call your reps and they can explain Mesa is in a worse position cash wise than they were 1 year ago.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
Most likely this is not true.

You dont see any cost savings measures being taken in training, with tons of extra sim time and rechecks being offered. Hotels are still single occupancy.

We are the lowest paid pilots in the industry with Mesa contributing the lowest to our benefit package. The cost structure here is prime for profit.

Most likely, the reason we are not building a hanger is because the rumors of us moving to PHX maybe true.
What is your source, or are you just perpetuating internet rumors? "Most likely" you don't know what you are talking about.

Our contract (have you ever read it?) says we will have single occupancy hotels. They can't just change it on a whim to save money. Also, the number one threat to the Mesa house of cards crumbling is no one filling the right seat. This is why they will put money into new hires and not deter new hires from coming, which double occupancy certainly would do, even if they were allowed to do it.

The cost structure is not prime for profit. What is your assertion based on? Have you seen Mesa's financials? Do you know what their debts/interest rates are? Have you looked at their balance sheet? Labor costs are only a fraction of what Mesa has to pay.

"Tons of extra sim time" with the assumption that eventually he/she will make it is cheaper than recruiting another new hire and giving him 10 sims (along with all the other sunk costs into the extra sim new hire). And every warm body counts. Someone who struggles in sims and barely makes it will likely be at Mesa a while anyway and might be a better long term investment.

Some of these rumors and statements by internet COOs/CFOs are getting painful to read. Also, not that it is relevant, but you hang clothes on a hanger, and you put an airplane in a hangar.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 900drver
Mesa is severely cash flow negative. I wouldn't be surprise to hear they can't make payroll or major debt payments.

Training costs through the roof- hotels are at an all time low with conditions.
Nothing that a new line of credit can't take care of.
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:04 AM
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So is Skywest aware of what they just hired? 4 regional airlines, multiple ASAP reports + No Fly Lists and more carpet dances in a year than most would have in 2 lifetimes.
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 20sx
Nothing that a new line of credit can't take care of.
From my sources Mesa is -40m for cash flow in 2017.
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 900drver
The MEC met in PHX this week. Why don't you call your reps and they can explain Mesa is in a worse position cash wise than they were 1 year ago.
You honestly think our MEC has any actual clue about how much cash Mesa has on hand? When they said they would open the book's for the union, that in itself is a joke to use as bargaining power. It's not a conspiracy. Mesa is a private company and has no obligation to show our union factual information. I'm not saying they are cash strapped, I'm saying you are most likely wrong in your stance on Mesas financial standing.

Secondly, the banks that approved us for the loans on those new aircraft obvious felt safe enough with our current situation, long term forcast, and contractual obligations to give us the money. They have a vested interest in this and they went along with it. Seemed like safe enough bet for them.

So unless you are privy to some information that none of us are aware of (such as you are in upper management), maybe don't go around talking about things you don't know about. What I said was based off of speculation from my part.
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Old 03-11-2016, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
RTFM. Here...I did it for you in the excerpt below. Prefer days off is a lot different than an avoid pairings bid. You should take your own advice and talk to the Xan, or better yet, read the manual for yourself. Keep putting out misinformation. The more people who don't know how PBS works the better my awards are.
And your the one spreading it. Your first post stated.

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Just to clarify this statement, if you have a bid in with an avoid pairing with XXXX, you will get a reserve award before you are awarded a trip with that employee number.
And that is so NOT true. Go read up on denial mode and how it works. You are NOT going to go on reserve because you asked for it to avoid so and so.


And as far as talking to MagPBS, I know them QUITE well.
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Old 03-11-2016, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
You honestly think our MEC has any actual clue about how much cash Mesa has on hand? When they said they would open the book's for the union, that in itself is a joke to use as bargaining power. It's not a conspiracy. Mesa is a private company and has no obligation to show our union factual information. I'm not saying they are cash strapped, I'm saying you are most likely wrong in your stance on Mesas financial standing.

Secondly, the banks that approved us for the loans on those new aircraft obvious felt safe enough with our current situation, long term forcast, and contractual obligations to give us the money. They have a vested interest in this and they went along with it. Seemed like safe enough bet for them.

So unless you are privy to some information that none of us are aware of (such as you are in upper management), maybe don't go around talking about things you don't know about. What I said was based off of speculation from my part.
Like I said- call your reps. In fact call all of them that were in the MEC meeting. Let them give you the very sobering news.
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Old 03-11-2016, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 900drver
Like I said- call your reps. In fact call all of them that were in the MEC meeting. Let them give you the very sobering news.
Stop believing the propaganda! Banks don't finance 18 new 175s for companies that are in dire financial trouble.
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Old 03-11-2016, 02:38 PM
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And your the one spreading it. Your first post stated.



And that is so NOT true. Go read up on denial mode and how it works. You are NOT going to go on reserve because you asked for it to avoid so and so.


And as far as talking to MagPBS, I know them QUITE well.
Again...RTFM.

"Denial Mode handles certain deniable bid preferences differently:

Set Condition and Avoid Pairings bid preferences are not used at all, even if you have more than one option on the bid preference, such as Landings in SEA, SFO.

Prefer Off bid preference options are removed one at a time if you have more than one option on the bid preference, such as a list of preferred days off. In this case, Denial Mode removes the date at the end of the list first, and works towards the left if it needs to delete additional days or dates"

If you have an avoid bid in for so many things/conditions/people that a line can't be built with the avoid bids and the remaining be a available trips, you won't get a line built and you will default to reserve.
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