FrequentFly3r

^ I like this guy. I really hope you get involved with the union. You could bring about some serious change around here.

WisJudge

Thanks for the kind word. Let's talk about this in a couple of months. I need to get through indoc, sims and IOE first.

WisJudge

Thanks for the thought, but I am sure I want to be no one's nightmare.

BeatNavy

And technically 12 months of probation, too.

Judge will be at a legacy before we see a new (or at least decent) contract anyway.

WisJudge

Some thoughts on contracts from my personal experience. I've signed lots and been involved in litigation with several. Some things I've learned:
-A company establishes venue with employees signing the notes at their HQ, Phoenix in the case of Mesa.
-A company can file suit locally if one is in default of payment, and then one has a choice to either default (surrender and let Mesa win), or fight it. The cost of fighting it in AZ, if you're not a local, will probably exceed the amount of the note.
-Assuming there is a default judgement against the debtor, then a creditor gets to try and collect. If you are out of state that can be an easy process or difficult one, depending on your state of residence. Entering a foreign judgement (from another state) can also be expensive for an entity seeking to be paid.
-What can a creditor do if a foreign judgment is filed locally against you? Depending on your state of residence, liens on personal property, real estate, wage garnishment, refer you to collections, damage your credit rating... It's easy and inexpensive to file a foreign judgment in WI, hard and expensive in TX.
-I've found litigation is to be avoided whenever possible. For me it's always a last resort. In 26 years of business I have never lit the legal fuse. It eats up your time, is an undue emotional strain, and drains your bank account. The only people who make money in litigation are the lawyers.
-I constantly come back to a simple personal foundation: Be a man of character. Be the same person in private as you are in public. If you owe the money, figure out a payment plan. I've attempted to negotiate better deals with business creditors when there was a financial climate change to my detriment. Only once was I met with hostility. I've begged for mercy when I was truly in a jam.
-As a last resort there is BK. I cannot image there are enough dollars involved to head down that path.
-Along with securing a crack accountant I found a local attorney that I have been working with for years. The few hundred I spend a year saves me thousands. I stay clear of attorneys with long histories of adversarial litigation. I look for a counselor, not a hired gun.

flapshalfspeed

Considering the balance depreciates over time, that can't be that much--like $500-700?

Is offline

The reason all of the airlines quit training contracts is they don't hold up in court.

Slaveaway

2k or so
Filler

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Flaps nobody enjoys feeling they should apologize and, it takes a far bigger person to do that than to stand indefensible ground. Cheers to you bro. I (we?) understand the frustrations that can arise when your workload is piling up and some old guy next to you just ain't with the program and is stuck in last week. All we ask is that you at least try to be patient and work with us a little. Your brains are like sponges, ours are like rocks. It usually takes a lot more to get things to sink in. But, once it does, it's etched in stone and, after that, you'll find us to be pretty solid performers. And pretty solid friends. There will always be that one exception, but I also think that you'll find nearly all of us to be completely fine with the fact that somebody half our age is 'the boss'. And, if I do something that deserves an @$$-chewing, then so be it. I'll take my lumps. But, then it should be over. When it becomes apparent that there's more to it and I'm being disrespected simply because I'm "old", then the sparks are gonna fly. Most older folks have just seen and done too much in their lives and have reached a point where they're not gonna put up with $#!+ from anyone, no matter who they are or how old they are or what title they have. And, when it comes right down to it, NOBODY should have to ... it works both ways.

I'm glad that you can see that we can bring quite a bit of value to the table. True, maybe not all 121 experience. But, no less valuable. I think you'll also see that if you ever happen to find yourself in the middle of a $#!+storm, the old dudes typically keep remarkably cool heads while dealing with things. And, where it may appear that JO's getting all that old-guy experience on-the-cheap, it just might turn out that we're his biggest nightmare ... just watch. Cheers to you bud, hope to fly with you and swap some stories.

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Come on man, have some faith!