Avflyer76

Thanks Trim

Also, people are mistaken if they think that I didn't make a conscious decision to be at this company.
Everyone has a reason for being here.

Now that I'm here, I can voice up every time I see something that I don't like.

Out Of Trim

He's not complaining about the suck that he already knew about.

He's complaining about what he couldn't have known about ... namely posts like yours that come from people who blame him instead of putting the blame where it really lies, with the company, the union, and themselves.

I'm sure it's not the current "suck" that's bothering him. It's getting here to find that things will never improve that's the disappointment. Why, because he sees people saying crap like giving new FOs a verbal slapdown in the cockpit for coming here. And he sees it coming his way from very small men with very small balls but very big mouths. If you're against me on this then you're one of the ones who wear this jacket. So, go ahead and pipe up now and let the rest of us know who not to take seriously on here.

Avflyer76

I knew what I was walking in to.
I just didn't realize that our union was this bad.
I'm here now, I might as well start being a voice.
Who knows?
I may be the guy that helps better things...
Someone's gotta do it.

FrequentFly3r

As you should... But how is calling out fellow pilots on an anonymous forum for not telling you what you want to hear going to make your situation better?

Aim your frustration at the "union".

Out Of Trim

You may want to take a toastmasters class. You're gonna need it. A lot of immature ideologies here unfortunately.

Avflyer76

I know what you're saying.
I've only been here for a week, do I have a voice yet?
I would be lucky if my concerns were even entertained by the union, or the company.
But, if I can take the pulse of our pilot group, and share an experience?
This feels like the place to do it.... Until I make more friends and get some clout in the company.
In the mean time?
I have at least a year to form my stay strategy, or my exit strategy.

Out Of Trim

I don't think he's calling just anyone out Freq. Nor am I. Only the ones who need a little "guidance" in understanding where to focus their complaints and, more importantly, their efforts. You may read back through my posts if you like and you will see that I've never complained about the conditions. Why? Because I've never tried to do anything about them. IMO, unless you're going to do something about it then you have no business complaining. The rest of us already know, and we don't need to hear about it otherwise, right? And, I DO credit him for pressing the union guy for not giving acceptable answers to his questions. That's the correct approach instead of slapping new hires. When a union rep just throws his arms up and says " ... because that's just the way it is guys, what do you expect us to do?" (which I've also seen while here at Mesa), the last response he should get is a silent audience that just says "oooookaayyyy" in their minds (seen that one too). The right response is "I don't know right off, that's what we're paying YOU to figure out but, I can tell you that standing here and telling me 'that's just the way it is' ...that definitely ain't it!"

airspeedsalive

"....get some clout in the company."?

Really?

FrequentFly3r

Fair enough. Good post.

MachTwo

Do you know what is funny? You guys think that because they are filling classes, that they are going to fill there contracts. They are hiring just enough people to cover attrition. A lot of the guys on the senority list have not even been through ioe. We had a 20% fail rate in our class. If they are covering everything they need, than why all of the goodies for new hires???