New Mesa Thread
08-14-2015, 12:44 PM
#441
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
You said it yourself--it took 5 years of negotiations to get this TA. How long do you think it'll take to get an industry-average TA? Or an industry-leading one? Or even one just slightly better than this one? A decade?
Sorry to anyone who expected the union--whose hands are effectively tied by the NMB/RLA--to extract money that isn't there from the regional with the lowest profit margins in the country. If you're holding out for industry-average you are never going to get that TA from Mesa in your lifetime. If you want to make that much money go work for XJet/Skywest/Compass--they are all hiring. Why are you still here even talking about this?
I'm really, really confused at why people are so shocked. The only reason many of us have our Captain seats, and the only reason we still have airplanes to fly, is because we underbid everyone else in the past to get them.
I frankly don't care which way any of you vote--just please vote what's best for you, and filter out the angry tired voices of the senior Captains who are already making six figures and don't care about reserve rules, FO payrates, or securing new flying at all.
Sorry to anyone who expected the union--whose hands are effectively tied by the NMB/RLA--to extract money that isn't there from the regional with the lowest profit margins in the country. If you're holding out for industry-average you are never going to get that TA from Mesa in your lifetime. If you want to make that much money go work for XJet/Skywest/Compass--they are all hiring. Why are you still here even talking about this?
I'm really, really confused at why people are so shocked. The only reason many of us have our Captain seats, and the only reason we still have airplanes to fly, is because we underbid everyone else in the past to get them.
I frankly don't care which way any of you vote--just please vote what's best for you, and filter out the angry tired voices of the senior Captains who are already making six figures and don't care about reserve rules, FO payrates, or securing new flying at all.
Do you want to be stuck making poverty wages as an FO? If anything the senior guys are wiser and you should listen. We want you to make more too. Yes we all look out for our best interests, but if you listen to the guys who have been around you might learn something. We have all been in your position. Some longer then others. You have to think what if you get stuck as an FO. Then what. Voting yes won't get us anymore airplanes. Voting no won't either. You have to decide if you can be stuck here working under this contract or if you want to move on. Will this new contract help you stay or would you still jump ship. If so, then why not vote no and get a better contract that might make it a place to stay. We also have no flow agreement and getting hired at American is pretty much not happening so it may be harder to get hired then you think at a Legacy. Think about all of that. Then vote what is best for you.
On the Captain side of things, we are at 10 bucks an hour lower paid on the CRJ 900 then the industry average and other regionals can afford to pay that and still make money. Mesa is not Broke! If it passes just wait and see the nice bonus management gets... Mesa is lying to you. It's just a matter of time before you will believe me if you think otherwise right now.
08-14-2015, 12:54 PM
#442
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
For all the newbies, Flaps just admitted he is really, really, confused. So what in the world would a newbie like flaps know. He is a sellout. Don't listen to him.
Do you want to be stuck making poverty wages as an FO? If anything the senior guys are wiser and you should listen. We want you to make more too. Yes we all look out for our best interests, but if you listen to the guys who have been around you might learn something. We have all been in your position. Some longer then others. You have to think what if you get stuck as an FO. Then what. Voting yes won't get us anymore airplanes. Voting no won't either. You have to decide if you can be stuck here working under this contract or if you want to move on. Will this new contract help you stay or would you still jump ship. If so, then why not vote no and get a better contract that might make it a place to stay. We also have no flow agreement and getting hired at American is pretty much not happening so it may be harder to get hired then you think at a Legacy. Think about all of that. Then vote what is best for you.
On the Captain side of things, we are at 10 bucks an hour lower paid on the CRJ 900 then the industry average and other regionals can afford to pay that and still make money. Mesa is not Broke! If it passes just wait and see the nice bonus management gets... Mesa is lying to you. It's just a matter of time before you will believe me if you think otherwise right now.
Do you want to be stuck making poverty wages as an FO? If anything the senior guys are wiser and you should listen. We want you to make more too. Yes we all look out for our best interests, but if you listen to the guys who have been around you might learn something. We have all been in your position. Some longer then others. You have to think what if you get stuck as an FO. Then what. Voting yes won't get us anymore airplanes. Voting no won't either. You have to decide if you can be stuck here working under this contract or if you want to move on. Will this new contract help you stay or would you still jump ship. If so, then why not vote no and get a better contract that might make it a place to stay. We also have no flow agreement and getting hired at American is pretty much not happening so it may be harder to get hired then you think at a Legacy. Think about all of that. Then vote what is best for you.
On the Captain side of things, we are at 10 bucks an hour lower paid on the CRJ 900 then the industry average and other regionals can afford to pay that and still make money. Mesa is not Broke! If it passes just wait and see the nice bonus management gets... Mesa is lying to you. It's just a matter of time before you will believe me if you think otherwise right now.
I have much more experience with the NMB-mediated negotiation process and how these things play out over a decade than you do, I am sure of it from reading your posts.
A decade of banging out hub turns for the cheapest RJ operator in the USA doesn't qualify you to consult your fellow pilots on how they should vote on a TA. There is no correlation between seniority/total flight time and knowledge of how the collective bargaining process works--zero.
So go back to the cushy line that you only have because you worked for the cheapest regional in the USA for the last decade, and let the kids make their own decisions based on their own personal situations, needs.
08-14-2015, 12:54 PM
#443
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 354
You said it yourself--it took 5 years of negotiations to get this TA. How long do you think it'll take to get an industry-average TA? Or an industry-leading one? Or even one just slightly better than this one? A decade?
Sorry to anyone who expected the union--whose hands are effectively tied by the NMB/RLA--to extract money that isn't there from the regional with the lowest profit margins in the country. If you're holding out for industry-average you are never going to get that TA from Mesa in your lifetime. If you want to make that much money go work for XJet/Skywest/Compass--they are all hiring. Why are you still here even talking about this?
I'm really, really confused at why people are so shocked. The only reason many of us have our Captain seats, and the only reason we still have airplanes to fly, is because we underbid everyone else in the past to get them.
I frankly don't care which way any of you vote--just please vote what's best for you, and filter out the angry tired voices of the senior Captains who are already making six figures and don't care about reserve rules, FO payrates, or securing new flying at all.
Sorry to anyone who expected the union--whose hands are effectively tied by the NMB/RLA--to extract money that isn't there from the regional with the lowest profit margins in the country. If you're holding out for industry-average you are never going to get that TA from Mesa in your lifetime. If you want to make that much money go work for XJet/Skywest/Compass--they are all hiring. Why are you still here even talking about this?
I'm really, really confused at why people are so shocked. The only reason many of us have our Captain seats, and the only reason we still have airplanes to fly, is because we underbid everyone else in the past to get them.
I frankly don't care which way any of you vote--just please vote what's best for you, and filter out the angry tired voices of the senior Captains who are already making six figures and don't care about reserve rules, FO payrates, or securing new flying at all.
Nobody expected it to be good bro? Everybody knew itd be ****. Everybody knows the only reason most people are here is because nobody could get out during the lost decade. And uhhh yeah it needs to burn down. If mesa didnt exist because of ****ty pay rates the next company would have to do something different. So yeah. Vote NO. Because ******* this place and we shouldnt stand for it. JO is laughing at you bro. You know that right? He couldnt give a damn if you feed your kids. He couldnt give a damn if you pay your bills. He is laughing at all of us for agreeing to this. Lmfao best we can get? Uhh right....well hey guess what! Best the MEC can get isnt good enough and actually no thanks. Heres your instability JO...goodluck taking it public and bailing.
Fffffff uuuuuuuuuuu
#votenoandcallinsick
08-14-2015, 12:57 PM
#444
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 774
For all the newbies, Flaps just admitted he is really, really, confused. So what in the world would a newbie like flaps know. He is a sellout. Don't listen to him.
Do you want to be stuck making poverty wages as an FO? If anything the senior guys are wiser and you should listen. We want you to make more too. Yes we all look out for our best interests, but if you listen to the guys who have been around you might learn something. We have all been in your position. Some longer then others. You have to think what if you get stuck as an FO. Then what. Voting yes won't get us anymore airplanes. Voting no won't either. You have to decide if you can be stuck here working under this contract or if you want to move on. Will this new contract help you stay or would you still jump ship. If so, then why not vote no and get a better contract that might make it a place to stay. We also have no flow agreement and getting hired at American is pretty much not happening so it may be harder to get hired then you think at a Legacy. Think about all of that. Then vote what is best for you.
On the Captain side of things, we are at 10 bucks an hour lower paid on the CRJ 900 then the industry average and other regionals can afford to pay that and still make money. Mesa is not Broke! If it passes just wait and see the nice bonus management gets... Mesa is lying to you. It's just a matter of time before you will believe me if you think otherwise right now.
Do you want to be stuck making poverty wages as an FO? If anything the senior guys are wiser and you should listen. We want you to make more too. Yes we all look out for our best interests, but if you listen to the guys who have been around you might learn something. We have all been in your position. Some longer then others. You have to think what if you get stuck as an FO. Then what. Voting yes won't get us anymore airplanes. Voting no won't either. You have to decide if you can be stuck here working under this contract or if you want to move on. Will this new contract help you stay or would you still jump ship. If so, then why not vote no and get a better contract that might make it a place to stay. We also have no flow agreement and getting hired at American is pretty much not happening so it may be harder to get hired then you think at a Legacy. Think about all of that. Then vote what is best for you.
On the Captain side of things, we are at 10 bucks an hour lower paid on the CRJ 900 then the industry average and other regionals can afford to pay that and still make money. Mesa is not Broke! If it passes just wait and see the nice bonus management gets... Mesa is lying to you. It's just a matter of time before you will believe me if you think otherwise right now.
08-14-2015, 12:59 PM
#445
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
from my own experience negotiating with nmb reps, i can tell you exactly what will happen if we reject this ta:
1) the company has provided independently-audited financial statements to alpa already. This means they have a specific amount of money earmarked for a ta in their 5-year budget ($14.7 million to be precise). From the perspective of the nmb, this represents a good-faith act: Letting the union know what amount of gains will not place the company in financial jeopardy over the next 5-years. In fact, compared to many airline managements the nmb deals with, this looks like an extremely generous act of good faith--so you aren't going to get anywhere crying about executive compensation. Is it unfair that jo/fervada make so much more than us? Heck yes it is--but you aren't going to change any of it unless you takeover congress, change the rla/nmb, and go back in time and unelect ronald reagan.
2) so--$14.7 million--that is the hard number the company, supported by the full force of the nmb, is not going to budge on for five years. Given that number, over the next 5 years, mag alpa will continue to schedule negotiations meetings. In those meetings, if the union asks for a gain (i.e. A 5% raise for all pilots upfront), that gain must be offset by a savings (i.e. Drop min days off to 10 for all pilots). Why? Becuase you can't go over the $14.7 million total budget (once again, unless the entire legal foundation/precedent of the nmb/rla established over the last 60 years is changed).
3) during the 5-6 years of moving goal-posts around, we might get a ta with better pay (but poorer work rules), or with better work rules (but poorer pay). All the while, inflation (which is forecast to only increase over the next decade), will continue to erode our current payrates gradually over time. We won't get new flying, we won't go public, and if we lose pilots jo will simply give the flying he can't staff back to mainline (like rah is doing), which would likely cause downgrades
note: Lifer senior captains don't care about this outcome, because they'll still be making $100k+ getting 15+ days off a month with lots of vacation time and very low chances of getting furloughed
4) eventually, if we get some hotheads in the mec, we'll submit a proffer of arbitration to the nmb. As insane as it sounds, the company might actually agree, since they've made plenty of good-faith moves and established a firm $14.7 million total cost of the contract. The nmb will essentially decide the new contract, which will look almost exactly like the one we have now. And we won't have any say in it.
Unless you literally elect a socialist or extremely leftist government to both houses of congress and the white house (i personally don't want that to happen), you are never, ever, ever going to be allowed to go on strike. Because we support the backbones of two of the three largest us airlines, mesa will never, ever be released to go on strike. Get that idea out of your head (unless you're a socialist with a quixotic fantasy about that scenario playing out?)
sorry for the long narrative--just giving you new guys an idea of what alpa's options are after a rejected ta, when the company has negotiated "in good faith."
1) the company has provided independently-audited financial statements to alpa already. This means they have a specific amount of money earmarked for a ta in their 5-year budget ($14.7 million to be precise). From the perspective of the nmb, this represents a good-faith act: Letting the union know what amount of gains will not place the company in financial jeopardy over the next 5-years. In fact, compared to many airline managements the nmb deals with, this looks like an extremely generous act of good faith--so you aren't going to get anywhere crying about executive compensation. Is it unfair that jo/fervada make so much more than us? Heck yes it is--but you aren't going to change any of it unless you takeover congress, change the rla/nmb, and go back in time and unelect ronald reagan.
2) so--$14.7 million--that is the hard number the company, supported by the full force of the nmb, is not going to budge on for five years. Given that number, over the next 5 years, mag alpa will continue to schedule negotiations meetings. In those meetings, if the union asks for a gain (i.e. A 5% raise for all pilots upfront), that gain must be offset by a savings (i.e. Drop min days off to 10 for all pilots). Why? Becuase you can't go over the $14.7 million total budget (once again, unless the entire legal foundation/precedent of the nmb/rla established over the last 60 years is changed).
3) during the 5-6 years of moving goal-posts around, we might get a ta with better pay (but poorer work rules), or with better work rules (but poorer pay). All the while, inflation (which is forecast to only increase over the next decade), will continue to erode our current payrates gradually over time. We won't get new flying, we won't go public, and if we lose pilots jo will simply give the flying he can't staff back to mainline (like rah is doing), which would likely cause downgrades
note: Lifer senior captains don't care about this outcome, because they'll still be making $100k+ getting 15+ days off a month with lots of vacation time and very low chances of getting furloughed
4) eventually, if we get some hotheads in the mec, we'll submit a proffer of arbitration to the nmb. As insane as it sounds, the company might actually agree, since they've made plenty of good-faith moves and established a firm $14.7 million total cost of the contract. The nmb will essentially decide the new contract, which will look almost exactly like the one we have now. And we won't have any say in it.
Unless you literally elect a socialist or extremely leftist government to both houses of congress and the white house (i personally don't want that to happen), you are never, ever, ever going to be allowed to go on strike. Because we support the backbones of two of the three largest us airlines, mesa will never, ever be released to go on strike. Get that idea out of your head (unless you're a socialist with a quixotic fantasy about that scenario playing out?)
sorry for the long narrative--just giving you new guys an idea of what alpa's options are after a rejected ta, when the company has negotiated "in good faith."
08-14-2015, 01:02 PM
#446
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
From my own experience negotiating with NMB reps, I can tell you exactly what will happen if we reject this TA:
1) The company has provided independently-audited financial statements to ALPA already. This means they have a specific amount of money earmarked for a TA in their 5-year budget ($14.7 million to be precise). From the perspective of the NMB, this represents a good-faith act: letting the union know what amount of gains will not place the company in financial jeopardy over the next 5-years. In fact, compared to many airline managements the NMB deals with, this looks like an extremely generous act of good faith--so you aren't going to get anywhere crying about executive compensation. Is it unfair that JO/Fervada make so much more than us? Heck yes it is--but you aren't going to change any of it unless you takeover Congress, change the RLA/NMB, and go back in time and unelect Ronald Reagan.
2) So--$14.7 million--that is the hard number the company, supported by the full force of the NMB, is not going to budge on for five years. Given that number, over the next 5 years, MAG ALPA will continue to schedule negotiations meetings. In those meetings, if the union asks for a gain (i.e. a 5% raise for all pilots upfront), that gain must be offset by a savings (i.e. drop min days off to 10 for all pilots). Why? Becuase you can't go over the $14.7 million total budget (once again, unless the entire legal foundation/precedent of the NMB/RLA established over the last 60 years is changed).
3) During the 5-6 years of moving goal-posts around, we might get a TA with better pay (but poorer work rules), or with better work rules (but poorer pay). All the while, inflation (which is forecast to only increase over the next decade), will continue to erode our current payrates gradually over time. We won't get new flying, we won't go public, and if we lose pilots JO will simply give the flying he can't staff back to mainline (like RAH is doing), which would likely cause downgrades
Note: lifer senior Captains don't care about this outcome, because they'll still be making $100k+ getting 15+ days off a month with lots of vacation time and very low chances of getting furloughed
4) Eventually, if we get some hotheads in the MEC, we'll submit a proffer of arbitration to the NMB (essentially asking the NMB to arbitrarily determine the new contract, without a pilot or company vote at all). As insane as it sounds, the company might actually agree, since they've made plenty of good-faith moves and established a firm $14.7 million total cost of the contract. The NMB will essentially decide the new contract, which will look almost exactly like the one we have now. And neither us nor the company will have any say in the details of it.
Unless you literally elect a socialist or extremely leftist government to both houses of Congress and the White House (I personally don't want that to happen), and completely restructure the RLA/NMB negotiations process, and its restrictions on strikes, we are never, ever, ever going to be allowed to go on strike. Because we support the backbones of two of the three largest US airlines, Mesa will never, ever be released to go on strike. Get that idea out of your head (unless you're a socialist with a quixotic fantasy about that scenario playing out?)
Sorry for the long narrative--just giving you new guys an idea of what ALPA's options are after a rejected TA, when the company has negotiated "in good faith."
1) The company has provided independently-audited financial statements to ALPA already. This means they have a specific amount of money earmarked for a TA in their 5-year budget ($14.7 million to be precise). From the perspective of the NMB, this represents a good-faith act: letting the union know what amount of gains will not place the company in financial jeopardy over the next 5-years. In fact, compared to many airline managements the NMB deals with, this looks like an extremely generous act of good faith--so you aren't going to get anywhere crying about executive compensation. Is it unfair that JO/Fervada make so much more than us? Heck yes it is--but you aren't going to change any of it unless you takeover Congress, change the RLA/NMB, and go back in time and unelect Ronald Reagan.
2) So--$14.7 million--that is the hard number the company, supported by the full force of the NMB, is not going to budge on for five years. Given that number, over the next 5 years, MAG ALPA will continue to schedule negotiations meetings. In those meetings, if the union asks for a gain (i.e. a 5% raise for all pilots upfront), that gain must be offset by a savings (i.e. drop min days off to 10 for all pilots). Why? Becuase you can't go over the $14.7 million total budget (once again, unless the entire legal foundation/precedent of the NMB/RLA established over the last 60 years is changed).
3) During the 5-6 years of moving goal-posts around, we might get a TA with better pay (but poorer work rules), or with better work rules (but poorer pay). All the while, inflation (which is forecast to only increase over the next decade), will continue to erode our current payrates gradually over time. We won't get new flying, we won't go public, and if we lose pilots JO will simply give the flying he can't staff back to mainline (like RAH is doing), which would likely cause downgrades
Note: lifer senior Captains don't care about this outcome, because they'll still be making $100k+ getting 15+ days off a month with lots of vacation time and very low chances of getting furloughed
4) Eventually, if we get some hotheads in the MEC, we'll submit a proffer of arbitration to the NMB (essentially asking the NMB to arbitrarily determine the new contract, without a pilot or company vote at all). As insane as it sounds, the company might actually agree, since they've made plenty of good-faith moves and established a firm $14.7 million total cost of the contract. The NMB will essentially decide the new contract, which will look almost exactly like the one we have now. And neither us nor the company will have any say in the details of it.
Unless you literally elect a socialist or extremely leftist government to both houses of Congress and the White House (I personally don't want that to happen), and completely restructure the RLA/NMB negotiations process, and its restrictions on strikes, we are never, ever, ever going to be allowed to go on strike. Because we support the backbones of two of the three largest US airlines, Mesa will never, ever be released to go on strike. Get that idea out of your head (unless you're a socialist with a quixotic fantasy about that scenario playing out?)
Sorry for the long narrative--just giving you new guys an idea of what ALPA's options are after a rejected TA, when the company has negotiated "in good faith."
1) We will make the news as yet another pilot group not willing to work for nothing.
2) Once the airplane deliveries stop, no matter if we vote yes or no, and the FO's we currently have realize they won't get an upgrade and have to live under poverty wages, they will start to go to PSA, etc., cancellations will start due to lack of crew. Mesa will panic. They will do one of two things. Tell United and American we need more money, or two, send those planes to another regional. Gonna happen either way. By voting yes, guys still are not going to want to work here. So it does not matter. We would need a MUCH better FO pay scale for guys to stay. This is why we need to vote no until our FO pay matches the others.
3) Flaps will be downgraded back to the right seat if he ever makes it in the left.
4) Senior lifers do care that the FO's hold out for better too. It benefits all of us both now and in the long run. Its guys like Flaps who want you to vote the same as him (yes) so you help benefit him and get him is upgrade, but meanwhile selling out the rest.
5) The majors are almost maxed out on scope so they would just start sending planes from one to the next but as a FO if you jump ship, will you be able to climb that huge FO list to get that upgrade in time before cancellations at that new regional keep you at the bottom? Your best bet is to finish climbing the ladder at Mesa and because you can right now, hold out for better pay.
6) We don't need to go on strike. The cancellations from both Captains and FO's leaving will have the same effect.
7) Senior Captains were also once FO's and also once on Reserve. They want you to have better, not worse.
08-14-2015, 01:05 PM
#447
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
They would get a bonus because they would have locked in fixed costs long term. The board will reward them. I think JO bought some sort of car the last contract in 2008 when it was passed. So how is it my head is in the sand? How do you know your head isn't in the sand?
08-14-2015, 01:05 PM
#448
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
If Mesa is lying to us, then so are the independent CPA's hired by ALPA to audit the company's financial records with a fine-toothed comb, so are all of our MEC reps and negotiating committee, and so are ALPA's attorneys and professional advisors.
Are all of the above people lying to us? In the case of the CPAs and attorneys, lying about such matters would constitute a gross legal/ethical violation that could subject them to loss of their board licensures and incomes. You really, truly believe that all of those individuals--Mesa management, union-hired CPAs and attorneys, our MEC, and the negotiating committee all conspired in a massive cover-up of the company's actual finances and expenses?
I've heard some compelling conspiracy theories in my aviation career, but man this wt guy takes the CAKE with this one.
Are all of the above people lying to us? In the case of the CPAs and attorneys, lying about such matters would constitute a gross legal/ethical violation that could subject them to loss of their board licensures and incomes. You really, truly believe that all of those individuals--Mesa management, union-hired CPAs and attorneys, our MEC, and the negotiating committee all conspired in a massive cover-up of the company's actual finances and expenses?
I've heard some compelling conspiracy theories in my aviation career, but man this wt guy takes the CAKE with this one.
08-14-2015, 01:12 PM
#449
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
If Mesa is lying to us, then so are the independent CPA's hired by ALPA to audit the company's financial records with a fine-toothed comb, so are all of our MEC reps and negotiating committee, and so are ALPA's attorneys and professional advisors.
Are all of the above people lying to us? In the case of the CPAs and attorneys, lying about such matters would constitute a gross legal/ethical violation that could subject them to loss of their board licensures and incomes. You really, truly believe that all of those individuals--Mesa management, union-hired CPAs and attorneys, our MEC, and the negotiating committee all conspired in a massive cover-up of the company's actual finances and expenses?
I've heard some compelling conspiracy theories in my aviation career, but man this wt guy takes the CAKE with this one.
Are all of the above people lying to us? In the case of the CPAs and attorneys, lying about such matters would constitute a gross legal/ethical violation that could subject them to loss of their board licensures and incomes. You really, truly believe that all of those individuals--Mesa management, union-hired CPAs and attorneys, our MEC, and the negotiating committee all conspired in a massive cover-up of the company's actual finances and expenses?
I've heard some compelling conspiracy theories in my aviation career, but man this wt guy takes the CAKE with this one.
And Flaps for the record, you are the biggest sellout I know. You stole that CAKE!
08-14-2015, 01:17 PM
#450
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Separating out all of the emotions about what we truly deserve to be paid, we need to consider two possible truths:
1) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are telling the truth--Mesa is broke. In this scenario, the hard truth many of you are having trouble stomaching is this: "We are broke airline pilots flying for a broke airline."
alternatively
2) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are all risking their reputations, professional certifications/incomes, and elected positions in a massive cover-up to help Mesa executives conceal the company's true financial state and codeshare revenues. JO is making ungodly profits on those codeshare agreements we underbid every other regional in the United States to secure, and he has somehow convinced all of the above individuals to literally risk their livelihoods in going along with his evil cover-up and plan for world domination.
I'm leaning towards truth #1
1) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are telling the truth--Mesa is broke. In this scenario, the hard truth many of you are having trouble stomaching is this: "We are broke airline pilots flying for a broke airline."
alternatively
2) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are all risking their reputations, professional certifications/incomes, and elected positions in a massive cover-up to help Mesa executives conceal the company's true financial state and codeshare revenues. JO is making ungodly profits on those codeshare agreements we underbid every other regional in the United States to secure, and he has somehow convinced all of the above individuals to literally risk their livelihoods in going along with his evil cover-up and plan for world domination.
I'm leaning towards truth #1
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