Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

Old Pilot 1: "Old" Airline Captain/military/corporate pilot who has been an airline/military/corporate pilot for a decade and has 8-10,000 hours of experience in a 121/91-k/structured operational environment, operating turbine equipment

Old Pilot 2: "Old" retired insurance/car salesman/lawyer/dr/dentist who accumulated thousands of hours on weekends at podunk airfield, USA, in VMC-conditions in a 172/travel-air/light-sport and goes to Oshkosh with the wife and dog once a year--plays flight sim a bit and says "gee whiz!" when the Mesa recruiter calls them

Yes--it is wrong to generalize all "old" pilots as bumbling, incompetent rednecks who should probably take up golf or go play flight sim instead of coming here. But I think it's assumed among all of us Captains complaining about these "old guys" that we are referring to "Old Pilot 2" above--not "Old Pilot 1"

Neuronal plasticity/"learning curves"/muscle-memory-formation decline with age--you can't possibly disagree with that. UNLESS someone has already developed a majority of the skillset/instincts to fly a jet to 121 standards at some point in their younger days, it IS harder to train and indoctrinate "Old Pilot 2" vs. a young guy fresh out of college/ATP/Riddle.

The majority of "old pilots" coming here are "Old Pilot 2"--that's what people mean when they refer to "old guys" on here.

Originally Posted by Duct Mon

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Originally Posted by Another pilot

Since I've been with mesa as an FO I've seen you young captains playing music before the flight whie we are supposed to be getting the plane ready. I've seen a young CA grab his phone as we were taxiing on to the rwy I've seen a young CA taxi on the wrong taxiway I've seen several times the young know it all CA punch in the wrong rwy on the fms. And I've only been here a short time. How does a person who has such a responsible job think age has anything with how well a person does their job. As you go through life you will always work with people of all ages. GET USED TO IT. Learn from everyone you come in contact with. That's something from an old guy who's been flying 25 years. And no I'm not an expert I'm learning everyday from all the pilots I fly with. Even the young smart *** punks who think they are gods gift to aviation.

Originally Posted by AZJETDRIVER

Their is also a 60% failure rate on CAP upgrades! Just because your number comes up does not mean you are ready to be a CAP.

Originally Posted by Another pilot

. I've seen a young CA grab his phone as we were taxiing on to the rwy.

Originally Posted by USMCmech

I flew a trip last month with a guy who has been here since the early 90s and holds a single digit seniority # that did all those same things.

He was taxing through the ramp way too fast, then tailgating other planes while playing on his phone. I was guarding the brakes for the whole trip.

It's not just the young guys.

Originally Posted by Another pilot

Since I've been with mesa as an FO I've seen you young captains playing music before the flight whie we are supposed to be getting the plane ready. I've seen a young CA grab his phone as we were taxiing on to the rwy I've seen a young CA taxi on the wrong taxiway I've seen several times the young know it all CA punch in the wrong rwy on the fms. And I've only been here a short time. How does a person who has such a responsible job think age has anything with how well a person does their job. As you go through life you will always work with people of all ages. GET USED TO IT. Learn from everyone you come in contact with. That's something from an old guy who's been flying 25 years. And no I'm not an expert I'm learning everyday from all the pilots I fly with. Even the young smart *** punks who think they are gods gift to aviation.