BobJenkins

People keep mocking, but from the sidelines, it appears as if 2.5/6 is close enough for government work. The fact is, they will be in a better position than many regional pilots in a few years to make it to the majors.

squawkoff

They mock for good reason. This flow carrot has been dangled in front of eagle guys for almost 20 years. Last week I had lunch with a friend that was hired at Eagle in 1999 and he was told then that he would flow to AA in 2 years. When I was hired at Eagle in 2010 I was told I would flow to AA in 2 years. The only reason there is a flow now is because of an arbitrators ruling. The settlement was 824 will flow to AA as a grievance settlement. Right now they're about half way through the 824. PSA flows are outside of a ruling. So far Envoy has not flowed a single pilot because of a labor agreement. If Envoy can't hire enough to replace attrition do you honestly think Parker will park brand new EJets to honor a flow in a labor agreement? Not for a minute.

I will believe a flow when I see it. Right now it seems that history is just repeating itself and still finding suckers.

Harpyr

I genuinely hope it does work out that way for them. Those pilots have been beat to hell by AAG. I'd be smiling if I ended up wrong about their flow.

Duct Mon

Is it a guaranteed flow? What if...AA decides to sell or part ways with Envoy? What happens to those pilots? Your guess is as good as mine. Nothing is guaranteed in this industry.

cherokee micro

I would say that we should start getting concerned about the nation's economy and not make dreams about the future. Things are getting really bad

Aviatrx

Is PSA not flowing people? No arbitrated agreement, and they are taking delivery of AAG's new heavy RJ's. I have even heard PSA has had a tough time staffing CA's at times. Eagle did not have flow when I was hired in 2007. We have not had flow for 20 years, it was stopped after the flow backs. It resumed again with the arbitrators ruling in conjunction with AA new hire classes . 911/ and age 65 are what caused stagnation. It is a different time with different circumstances. If AAG does not honor its flow, it's regional infrastructure will crumble. A lot of time and money has been wasted to get to where we are today. Outside of a catastrophic event, you can count on the flow working

PilotJ3

You where told you were going to flow in 2 years in 2010??? Jummmm I don't know why are you saying that, because the protected pilot settlement was in mid 2011. And a 2010 hire is not part of the 824...

2. I'm a 2010 new hire and the only thing they told me was to expect to upgrade in about 3-4 years. Which, if we have kept the same amount of planes it was going to happen. I'm in the low 1400 and the JR CA in 2011 was about seniority 1750-1850.

So...I call BS on this one. A 2010 hire should upgrade sometime this year and we should flow in about 4 years at the worst case. (Unless they stop the flow of course)

mr25cents

Nah, but I'm guessing Envoy will probably continue parking 145s in 2017 and beyond, not all of them of course, just the oldest ones that were received in '98, '99. United just announced that they will park over 50% of their 50 seaters by 2019, I'm guessing this will apply to AAG as well (or not). The 50 seaters will slowly drift away, at Envoy, PSA and others.

deltajuliet

So, where was there ever an announcement mentioned and what became of it?

squawkoff

Do you not remember the email that said that all pilots on property before Oct 2010 would have or be offered AA seniority numbers? Call BS all you want but I know what I was told. When I interviewed I was told of a flow from Eagle to AA. Could that have been BS? Absolutely. But given the past 15 years of the flow carrot being put out there why does that sound so unplausible?