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12-12-2015, 03:48 PM
#3031
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
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I fly the airplane in full compliance with Mesa's GOM and I love this airline and our training department--not sure how that's "a bad attitude."
You're basically whining/arguing about the company's established SOP regarding hand-flying--that's what gets you in trouble at any airline, whether it's Mesa or Emirates
I don't want to fight you guys anymore--can we all just agree to disagree?
12-12-2015, 04:19 PM
#3032
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Posts: 71
Seriously you people... Clearly hand flying skills are important but knowing how to read/utilize/understand the automation on your aircraft is also very important.
12-12-2015, 04:32 PM
#3034
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12-12-2015, 04:34 PM
#3035
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 880
Dude--I said WITHOUT using a green mode. As in, flying from TOD to the runway in magenta VNAV modes the whole way down (including the transition), which no one seems to comprehend that well.
Fly it however you like--just please stop overspeeding the flaps and turning final way too high because you're in VS mode oblivious of your path to the TDZE bc you're afraid to even back it up with VNAV (not saying that you do this--I don't know you--just seeing too many CAs/FOs flying the EJet like a CRJ/E145)
Fly it however you like--just please stop overspeeding the flaps and turning final way too high because you're in VS mode oblivious of your path to the TDZE bc you're afraid to even back it up with VNAV (not saying that you do this--I don't know you--just seeing too many CAs/FOs flying the EJet like a CRJ/E145)
I've never had to do a go around due to an unstable approach, i.e. Coming in to high. I've also never caused an overspeed on the aircraft in any condition. The times I've seen that situation start to take change are in FLCH in turbulence.
I'll also have you know, most goo arounds due to unstable approaches, at my shop, are due to using FLCH while trying to slow down and get down. Each mode has a time and a place, you apparently need to learn them.
12-12-2015, 05:31 PM
#3036
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Posts: 1,198
Your automation skills need to be as proficient as your hand flying skills were as a 135 freight dog moving cancelled checks. It is a skill set that requires experience. It seems to me, it's the people with no jet / 121 experience grumbling about hand flying skills. 121 is an entirely different world than GA.
12-12-2015, 05:37 PM
#3037
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Flaps, it seems that you upset the aviation nerds... Don't worry, one day they will realize that an airplanes only purpose is to provide a paycheck. In the mean time, they can daydream about their past about being on the ERAU flight team.
12-12-2015, 05:45 PM
#3038
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Lol yeah I've apparently stirred the wrath of the sky gods.
12-12-2015, 05:51 PM
#3039
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Posts: 1,666
Much ado about nothing in the last couple of pages. I'm not the biggest fan of the A/P on policy for the RNAV stuff but it is what it is. I find I get plenty of opportunity to hand fly and keep my skills sharp even with the policy the way it is. I also think it is important to know how to use the autopilot to its fullest extent. There are uses for all the modes, both green and magenta. It's just not that big of deal. Not sure why we had to get so polarized in here.
12-12-2015, 05:56 PM
#3040
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What are you saying? Are you asking me how to descend via an arrival while using VNAV? You verify points in the box, set the lowest altitude in the window, and select VNAV, voila. Using a green altitude mode, or none at all takes more piloting skills than just setting an altitude and selecting VNAV. Do you know how to calculate at TOD and descent rate?
I've never had to do a go around due to an unstable approach, i.e. Coming in to high. I've also never caused an overspeed on the aircraft in any condition. The times I've seen that situation start to take change are in FLCH in turbulence.
I'll also have you know, most goo arounds due to unstable approaches, at my shop, are due to using FLCH while trying to slow down and get down. Each mode has a time and a place, you apparently need to learn them.
I've never had to do a go around due to an unstable approach, i.e. Coming in to high. I've also never caused an overspeed on the aircraft in any condition. The times I've seen that situation start to take change are in FLCH in turbulence.
I'll also have you know, most goo arounds due to unstable approaches, at my shop, are due to using FLCH while trying to slow down and get down. Each mode has a time and a place, you apparently need to learn them.
You're basically supporting all of my points about how the EJet should be flown by pointing out that green modes require more planning and work and attention than magenta VNAV "dial and drop." Your point seems to be that you like having additional things to manage? In addition to traffic, weather, comms, and the new hire FO next to you?
I guess most of us regional pilots are masochists to begin with, but man you're making it harder than it needs to be.
Go ask a legacy United or Emirates sim instructor what they'd think if you have a pink diamond available and you're descending in green vertical speed mode. Do it.
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