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12-12-2015, 01:40 PM
#3021
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,623
Yeah--totally--turn it all off bro it'll be fiiiiiiine:
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12-12-2015, 03:11 PM
#3022
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 94
Like I said--assuming you are managing the autothrottles/boards, retracting/extended flaps on schedule, and not using a dumb vertical mode like FPA/VS, the EJet AP will not overspeed the flaps.
If you disagree with our GOM and refuse to comply with it, you should quit and go work somewhere else with SOPs that fit better with your preference to hand-fly.
If you disagree with our GOM and refuse to comply with it, you should quit and go work somewhere else with SOPs that fit better with your preference to hand-fly.
12-12-2015, 03:14 PM
#3023
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 94
Our training department is top notch--most of my FOs are great, and in fact they know how to fly this airplane better than most of our Captains precisely b/c our training is top notch. The problem is, after training, they end up flying with us former CRJ guys--who fly the EJet like a CRJ--and then they start using VS/FPA all the live long day, and overspeed the flaps and end up all over the place instead of on path/on speed at the ILS join.
It's going to take time for our pilot group to fully absorb the VNAV/automation of this airplane and fully incorporate it into our operating culture, b/c most of us were flying CRJ-200s/ERJs the bulk of our careers.
Also, if your autopilot/autothrottles were overspeeding the flaps, you weren't using an appropriate vertical mode. If you're using the appropriate guidance modes, and retracting/extending flaps on schedule, the EJet AP/AT will not overspeed the flaps, even in gusty wind conditions...so, you basically just admitted you don't fully
understand how to fly the airplane as it was designed. Just sayin'
It's going to take time for our pilot group to fully absorb the VNAV/automation of this airplane and fully incorporate it into our operating culture, b/c most of us were flying CRJ-200s/ERJs the bulk of our careers.
Also, if your autopilot/autothrottles were overspeeding the flaps, you weren't using an appropriate vertical mode. If you're using the appropriate guidance modes, and retracting/extending flaps on schedule, the EJet AP/AT will not overspeed the flaps, even in gusty wind conditions...so, you basically just admitted you don't fully
understand how to fly the airplane as it was designed. Just sayin'
The training department is top notch as you said because it trains arrogants like you.. If you would go for an interview at Emirates you wouldn't make it for sure. Attitudes like yours are not accepted at serious airlines
12-12-2015, 03:15 PM
#3024
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 94
If you guys really want to play "real pilot" and really want to introduce the full range of human error back into the EJet, maybe you should turn everything off!!! (including the fly-by wire system). Direct mode, raw data/FD off, no autothrottles, no stall protection/pitch limiting. Get rid of that ground prox warning too--don't want that darned new-fangled computer thinga-ma-jig deterrioratin' your skillz, right?
And I hope you guys are flying green needles and manually verifying all the VORs all the way to Montreal--better not let those old-school pilot skills decline!!!
Seriously--hand-flying the EJet isn't even "real" hand-flying. It's putting a green circle on the horizon--you never get a true "feel" for it--because a computer is controlling two of the three axes. It's so easy you don't really need to practice it to maintain proficiency. I rarely hand-fly to 10,000, but every time I get an AP-inop aircraft or shoot the DCA/LGA visuals it's a non-event--b/c the EJet AP-off is still basically flying itself.
Sorry if you need to hand-fly all the time to maintain your proficiency or make yourself feel like a "real jet jockey." But on the EJet--in any historical/technical context--you're still just a computer operator when the AP is off.
And I hope you guys are flying green needles and manually verifying all the VORs all the way to Montreal--better not let those old-school pilot skills decline!!!
Seriously--hand-flying the EJet isn't even "real" hand-flying. It's putting a green circle on the horizon--you never get a true "feel" for it--because a computer is controlling two of the three axes. It's so easy you don't really need to practice it to maintain proficiency. I rarely hand-fly to 10,000, but every time I get an AP-inop aircraft or shoot the DCA/LGA visuals it's a non-event--b/c the EJet AP-off is still basically flying itself.
Sorry if you need to hand-fly all the time to maintain your proficiency or make yourself feel like a "real jet jockey." But on the EJet--in any historical/technical context--you're still just a computer operator when the AP is off.
Wow ! I see you kow everything about the Ejet... What a pilot !
12-12-2015, 03:18 PM
#3025
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 880
Yes I do. A green altitude mode is not VNAV, that would be magenta. Shows what you know. Please, give it up. You give pilots a bad name.
12-12-2015, 03:20 PM
#3026
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 94
Guess how many times I've had to take the controls from an FO when they're hand-flying? Lots.
Guess how many times I've had FOs almost overspeed (or actually overspeed) the flaps while they're hand-flying? Lots.
Guess how many times I've seen the EJet autopilot blow through an altitude, airspeed, heading, or course (assuming they're properly set and you're managing the autothrottles/boards)? Pretty much never in a thousand hours.
Guess how many times I've seen the autopilot overspeed the flaps. Never.
Which do you think is better for situational awareness? Making sure the box/selector knobs/frequencies/fixes are all entered correctly and verified with ATC? Or doing all of the above while also monitoring the FOs hand-flying skills? We all know the answer to this one--whether we're willing to admit it to ourselves or not is another question
On the EJet, I think it's great to practice hand-flying in severe clear, on visual approaches/DCA/etc., or when the autopilot is MELed. I think it's even better for safety if you also actually practice using the automation as it was intended to be used by the manufacturer--i.e. NOT doing ALL descents/approach transitions in vertical speed as if it's a CRJ (like everyone still does here--argghhhhhhh).
Learn how to really, truly use the VNAV before you worry about your hand-flying skills. Anyone on the EJet will thank me for this if you ever really, truly figure out what I'm talking about.
Guess how many times I've had FOs almost overspeed (or actually overspeed) the flaps while they're hand-flying? Lots.
Guess how many times I've seen the EJet autopilot blow through an altitude, airspeed, heading, or course (assuming they're properly set and you're managing the autothrottles/boards)? Pretty much never in a thousand hours.
Guess how many times I've seen the autopilot overspeed the flaps. Never.
Which do you think is better for situational awareness? Making sure the box/selector knobs/frequencies/fixes are all entered correctly and verified with ATC? Or doing all of the above while also monitoring the FOs hand-flying skills? We all know the answer to this one--whether we're willing to admit it to ourselves or not is another question
On the EJet, I think it's great to practice hand-flying in severe clear, on visual approaches/DCA/etc., or when the autopilot is MELed. I think it's even better for safety if you also actually practice using the automation as it was intended to be used by the manufacturer--i.e. NOT doing ALL descents/approach transitions in vertical speed as if it's a CRJ (like everyone still does here--argghhhhhhh).
Learn how to really, truly use the VNAV before you worry about your hand-flying skills. Anyone on the EJet will thank me for this if you ever really, truly figure out what I'm talking about.
Wow... I don't believe that Mesa hires astronauts like you...
Are you type rated on the space shuttle too ?
12-12-2015, 03:22 PM
#3027
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 880
Our training department is top notch--most of my FOs are great, and in fact they know how to fly this airplane better than most of our Captains precisely b/c our training is top notch. The problem is, after training, they end up flying with us former CRJ guys--who fly the EJet like a CRJ--and then they start using VS/FPA all the live long day, and overspeed the flaps and end up all over the place instead of on path/on speed at the ILS join.
It's going to take time for our pilot group to fully absorb the VNAV/automation of this airplane and fully incorporate it into our operating culture, b/c most of us were flying CRJ-200s/ERJs the bulk of our careers.
Also, if your autopilot/autothrottles were overspeeding the flaps, you weren't using an appropriate vertical mode. If you're using the appropriate guidance modes, and retracting/extending flaps on schedule, the EJet AP/AT will not overspeed the flaps, even in gusty wind conditions...so, you basically just admitted you don't fully understand how to fly the airplane as it was designed. Just sayin'
It's going to take time for our pilot group to fully absorb the VNAV/automation of this airplane and fully incorporate it into our operating culture, b/c most of us were flying CRJ-200s/ERJs the bulk of our careers.
Also, if your autopilot/autothrottles were overspeeding the flaps, you weren't using an appropriate vertical mode. If you're using the appropriate guidance modes, and retracting/extending flaps on schedule, the EJet AP/AT will not overspeed the flaps, even in gusty wind conditions...so, you basically just admitted you don't fully understand how to fly the airplane as it was designed. Just sayin'
12-12-2015, 03:27 PM
#3028
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 94
Gjn290 Don't try to explain to him anything.. He is the type of person who thinks he knows everything. He won't listen.. and be sure that guys like him are lifetime regional pilots because no one else would hire them..
12-12-2015, 03:30 PM
#3029
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 519
Are you a Mesa employee? Are you here to offer anything positive to the thread? Or just belittle other Mesa employees? It's so hard to tell who is for real here and who are just trolls. Hope you don't mind me asking.
12-12-2015, 03:37 PM
#3030
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Fly it however you like--just please stop overspeeding the flaps and turning final way too high because you're in VS mode oblivious of your path to the TDZE bc you're afraid to even back it up with VNAV (not saying that you do this--I don't know you--just seeing too many CAs/FOs flying the EJet like a CRJ/E145)
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