New Mesa Thread
12-06-2015, 04:21 PM
#2811
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 49
I got other CJOs at Republic, xJet and have class offer next week with Mesa. I'll try it for a year see what happens, it's all about options and planning. I'll deal with it if I know what's coming, just want to read the contract to see what I'm in for. Thanks for your opinions, I'm ex mil but not pilot rated coming from overseas so can't pick and chose too much right now.
12-06-2015, 05:03 PM
#2812
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 555
This is an open question about new hire training directed to a fellow new hire. . Is indoc training in PHX , then MCO, back to PHX, sims in STL, does that sound right? This says the oral is before CPTs, I would think that's when the systems start to make sense. What's the contract say on new hire training like max hours a day, max days before days off, min days off per month in training ? Are there limits to times of day for events, no training from 2-4 AM? Is travel to from training positive space from home or base if you go home on days off? Does the contract require min of 2 day breaks?
How about max number of events per day or limit on sims or CPT in same? I'm thinking of how much time is there each night to study, or are you in lecture 10 hours a day?
Is there food available in the training center, or do most bring a lunch each day? Yes I'm trying to save money and get through training successfully, any suggestions? I just want to look at the contract to learn this stuff. Been at a really bad place that abused new hires.
How about max number of events per day or limit on sims or CPT in same? I'm thinking of how much time is there each night to study, or are you in lecture 10 hours a day?
Is there food available in the training center, or do most bring a lunch each day? Yes I'm trying to save money and get through training successfully, any suggestions? I just want to look at the contract to learn this stuff. Been at a really bad place that abused new hires.
12-06-2015, 05:37 PM
#2813
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 555
I believe we are in complete agreement here.
"Don't come here and expect to rent an apartment first year."
Right. You will not be able to afford even the smallest efficiency apartment within the 90 minute call out of IAD.
"Get a room with roommates on Craigslist or find another Mesa pilot to live with."
Right. This will be your only option. You will need more than one roommate, though, so find a couple or more pilots to live with.
"Even on first year pay, you can afford $400 rent."
Correct. That is about how much you will have provided you don't have students loans or any other monthly payments.
"Live in base."
Right. That's the point. Trying to. That's why a Crashpad with a 10 night per month limit won't work.
"You're right, knowingly putting yourself on welfare is sh*tty, so don't do it. Nobody is making you. My first year W2: $22,800."
Correct. And the $22,800 is below the required minimum income to qualify for "welfare" housing so isn't an option anyway.
"Also, if you're the sole breadwinner supporting a family or in massive debt and choose to come to a regional, ****** you. There are tons of better paying non-121 flying jobs out there."
Couldn't agree with you more. Which takes us back to my original purpose of posting this information for others. As prospective employees make their choice of which regional to join or which flying job to go to, they need this information so they can make an informed decision and choose the job that works for them. It does Mesa no good, to hire and train pilots only to have them leave because they can't make it work.
So we are in agreement. Unless you are:
-Debt-free
-Single
-Child or dependent-free
And
-In a position that allows you to move to base and live with multiple people
Then maybe Mesa isn't your best option.
"Don't come here and expect to rent an apartment first year."
Right. You will not be able to afford even the smallest efficiency apartment within the 90 minute call out of IAD.
"Get a room with roommates on Craigslist or find another Mesa pilot to live with."
Right. This will be your only option. You will need more than one roommate, though, so find a couple or more pilots to live with.
"Even on first year pay, you can afford $400 rent."
Correct. That is about how much you will have provided you don't have students loans or any other monthly payments.
"Live in base."
Right. That's the point. Trying to. That's why a Crashpad with a 10 night per month limit won't work.
"You're right, knowingly putting yourself on welfare is sh*tty, so don't do it. Nobody is making you. My first year W2: $22,800."
Correct. And the $22,800 is below the required minimum income to qualify for "welfare" housing so isn't an option anyway.
"Also, if you're the sole breadwinner supporting a family or in massive debt and choose to come to a regional, ****** you. There are tons of better paying non-121 flying jobs out there."
Couldn't agree with you more. Which takes us back to my original purpose of posting this information for others. As prospective employees make their choice of which regional to join or which flying job to go to, they need this information so they can make an informed decision and choose the job that works for them. It does Mesa no good, to hire and train pilots only to have them leave because they can't make it work.
So we are in agreement. Unless you are:
-Debt-free
-Single
-Child or dependent-free
And
-In a position that allows you to move to base and live with multiple people
Then maybe Mesa isn't your best option.
What if someone has an inexpensive mortgage in DFW or IAH? What if they're married with kids, and have a working spouse? What if someone simply knows how to live on far less than the average American consumer, has prior 121 time and wants to upgrade quickly? $600 per month with roommates will get you a fine apartment or house in DFW or IAH, and even around IAD. Would it be abnormal for a single person under, say, 35 to live with roommates? Is that a bad situation? Not in my experience.
If a pilot chooses to come here, they should know about the pay, however, explaining away Mesa to responsible adults with allusions to poverty, debt and sadness is ridiculous. Many people find this airline to be a fun place to work, with a good training department and a chance for a quick upgrade.
What's to know about about coming to Mesa: Your first year you'll make about $23k, and $30k the second year. With an upgrade halfway through year two, you'll probably make about $55k. On the line, the company mostly leaves you alone. It's an easy job, and the training department is good. Unlike other regionals, Mesa doesn't pay for commuter hotels or crash pads. I think everyone can figure out how to handle their personal lives on their own.
12-06-2015, 06:19 PM
#2814
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Just going to add, during training Saturdays are generally off too. (Or has that changed?) Most guys studied hard every single day, but I found that by taking Saturdays off you can return focused and rested and happy to study Sundays.
12-06-2015, 07:03 PM
#2815
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 49
As a new hire in training the minimum monthly of 10 days off does it apply or not? Is this the same for upgrade? As far as everyone talking me out of Mesa, BTW all regionals suck, you just have to be prepared, know the contract and be good flight crewmember, it's what you make it. Look at the regionals, long upgrade, old equipment, bankruptcy, Delta suing them, WO umbrella long flow, low pay, bad QOL, name one that's going places now, lots are slowing growth, it's all a crap shoot. I don't plan on getting there and whining about this and that I'll know what to expect and deal with it. Nobody wants a whinny FO for a trip. I'm taking Mesa and taking a year to try it. If not I'll go to Atlas by then.
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12-06-2015, 07:12 PM
#2816
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,666
I think you mean the minimum monthly of 11 days off...and no it does not apply in training as previously stated. Same for upgrade. However, you will get more days off in training than you will on the line. There are natural breaks in the schedule and they also plan on several 2-3 day breaks so people can decompress. Student performance declines pretty rapidly with a schedule that is too intense. The schedulers are fully aware of that.
12-06-2015, 07:19 PM
#2817
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
Dude...you need to chill the effff out and stop worrying about days off during training. You will get at a bare minimum one day off a week, but most likely two. Seriously though time spent in training is such an impeccably small part of the picture. I wouldn't worry abut it. And if you're still worried after reading this, then don't come to the airlines. Go get a get a nice beurocratic "gubment" job where you can chunk efficiency out the window.
12-06-2015, 07:28 PM
#2818
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 519
While you are considering, consider that Xjet, Envoy, and Republic don't have any contracts to lock you in.
I got other CJOs at Republic, xJet and have class offer next week with Mesa. I'll try it for a year see what happens, it's all about options and planning. I'll deal with it if I know what's coming, just want to read the contract to see what I'm in for. Thanks for your opinions, I'm ex mil but not pilot rated coming from overseas so can't pick and chose too much right now.
12-06-2015, 07:50 PM
#2820
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,198
Every pilot needs to evaluate the situation for themselves, and go for the opportunities they want. Pay aside, Mesa is extremely chill place to work.
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