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#2781
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 519
So does TSIC. I have heard stories recently of guys getting picked up at LCCs and Majors with 0 TPIC. True, TPIC is a plus, but there are other things that have as much or more weight, IMHO.
Not saying you shouldn't strive to upgrade; of course we should. But I also think that not everyone who upgrades in 15-18 months is ready to be a CA. I guess to say it a different way, I feel the same way about TPIC as you do about pay.
Either way, best of luck in your search. I am in your shoes, trying to find that "best match" company for me to get started in my goal to become a rich FO.
Not saying you shouldn't strive to upgrade; of course we should. But I also think that not everyone who upgrades in 15-18 months is ready to be a CA. I guess to say it a different way, I feel the same way about TPIC as you do about pay.
Either way, best of luck in your search. I am in your shoes, trying to find that "best match" company for me to get started in my goal to become a rich FO.
#2782
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,602
I didn't go count heads but the school house is packed right now literally not enough classrooms.
#2785
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 373
I think you are out of line telling someone what their priorities should be. If Jimf spent his earlier years setting himself so that he does not struggle with the pitiful FO pay during his early years flying on his way to the majors, then good on him. Each person has his/her own priorities.
I think you are missing his point. A person who embarks on this line of work because he WANTS to, not because he will get rich quick, is the kind of person I would want flying my family around. He's the guy who WANTS to go to work, not the guy who hates his job while he is out there flying people around. Call it a career, call it a hobby; purely semantics. And yes, I do know doctors that do what they do because they enjoy helping people, get a sense of satisfaction from it. Money, while necessary to pay bills and live, is not the be-all-to-end-all.
Same thing applies here. A hobby is something one enjoys doing. And because of that enjoyment, most tend to do it well. What's the difference between a "professional" pilot and a regular one? How do you tell that when they are pushing metal around the skies beside you? And FWIW, you SHOULD watch that guy or gal next to you like a hawk. They don't have a vested interest in your life, you do.
I cannot believe (well, I guess I can) that you guys have a problem with a guy asking for advice, being honest about his feelings/needs on pay, and explaining his priorities in order in order to get the best possible help on here.
Would an applicant that said he didn't care about how many hours he flies because he's already over 10,000 TT get as much grief? Is admitting that not needing flight time disrespectful to those who barely have the mins to get hired?
I think you are missing his point. A person who embarks on this line of work because he WANTS to, not because he will get rich quick, is the kind of person I would want flying my family around. He's the guy who WANTS to go to work, not the guy who hates his job while he is out there flying people around. Call it a career, call it a hobby; purely semantics. And yes, I do know doctors that do what they do because they enjoy helping people, get a sense of satisfaction from it. Money, while necessary to pay bills and live, is not the be-all-to-end-all.
Same thing applies here. A hobby is something one enjoys doing. And because of that enjoyment, most tend to do it well. What's the difference between a "professional" pilot and a regular one? How do you tell that when they are pushing metal around the skies beside you? And FWIW, you SHOULD watch that guy or gal next to you like a hawk. They don't have a vested interest in your life, you do.
I cannot believe (well, I guess I can) that you guys have a problem with a guy asking for advice, being honest about his feelings/needs on pay, and explaining his priorities in order in order to get the best possible help on here.
Would an applicant that said he didn't care about how many hours he flies because he's already over 10,000 TT get as much grief? Is admitting that not needing flight time disrespectful to those who barely have the mins to get hired?
I didn't have a issue with anything that was said until he said doing this as a hobby was ok.
He has 10K hours, fine. He doesn't care about pay, ok, we all come here for different reasons beyond pay.
But doing this for "S.hits, and grins" and saying that "Sh.its and grins" folks are better to fly with then people that have dedicated themselves to this? Sorry, no dice.
#2786
I can it's APC, second only in vitriol and irrational anger to PPRUNE. You want Charmin soft, go to JC.
I didn't have a issue with anything that was said until he said doing this as a hobby was ok.
He has 10K hours, fine. He doesn't care about pay, ok, we all come here for different reasons beyond pay.
But doing this for "S.hits, and grins" and saying that "Sh.its and grins" folks are better to fly with then people that have dedicated themselves to this? Sorry, no dice.
I didn't have a issue with anything that was said until he said doing this as a hobby was ok.
He has 10K hours, fine. He doesn't care about pay, ok, we all come here for different reasons beyond pay.
But doing this for "S.hits, and grins" and saying that "Sh.its and grins" folks are better to fly with then people that have dedicated themselves to this? Sorry, no dice.
#2787
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 519
I gave up a $90K job to come to the airlines. Obviously, money was not my priority, either. (at least not in the short run) Does that make me one of those guys who need to be watched like a hawk?
#2788
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 373
Can you make it real bronze? Are we talking customized name plate, or just a ****ty generic "You're a super pilot!" engraving?
Last edited by Stratapilot; 12-04-2015 at 07:12 PM.
#2789
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 373
I can't see how ANYONE who is eligible to fly 121 could be considered to be doing so for S&Gs. Takes WAY too much dedication and perseverance to get to this level. As well as financial commitment.
I gave up a $90K job to come to the airlines. Obviously, money was not my priority, either. (at least not in the short run) Does that make me one of those guys who need to be watched like a hawk?
I gave up a $90K job to come to the airlines. Obviously, money was not my priority, either. (at least not in the short run) Does that make me one of those guys who need to be watched like a hawk?
Last edited by Stratapilot; 12-04-2015 at 07:11 PM.
#2790
I can't see how ANYONE who is eligible to fly 121 could be considered to be doing so for S&Gs. Takes WAY too much dedication and perseverance to get to this level. As well as financial commitment.
I gave up a $90K job to come to the airlines. Obviously, money was not my priority, either. (at least not in the short run) Does that make me one of those guys who need to be watched like a hawk?
I gave up a $90K job to come to the airlines. Obviously, money was not my priority, either. (at least not in the short run) Does that make me one of those guys who need to be watched like a hawk?
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