New Mesa Thread
12-03-2015, 05:18 AM
#2681
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: Mannin' deez blenps
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12-03-2015, 09:20 AM
#2683
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
They would be better off putting the money from the referral program into rentention bonuses.
12-03-2015, 10:13 AM
#2684
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 304
An already trained Line FO is more valuable than a new hire that still has to go through training, and may or may not make it through.
How Mesa management doesn't see this, is beyond me. Anyone, with or without business experience, can see this. There is about to be a grand exodus if they don't do something fast. And no amount of hiring is going to be able to keep up.
12-03-2015, 10:16 AM
#2685
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
Ask him why ?
I am sure he will not tell you about his power back in Lousiana trying to get the aircraft out of the mud and trying to cover up and go again.
FAA Did neutor his chances but hey Mesa made him a aCP go figure
12-03-2015, 10:26 AM
#2686
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 446
Yes. This.
An already trained Line FO is more valuable than a new hire that still has to go through training, and may or may not make it through.
How Mesa management doesn't see this, is beyond me. Anyone, with or without business experience, can see this. There is about to be a grand exodus if they don't do something fast. And no amount of hiring is going to be able to keep up.
An already trained Line FO is more valuable than a new hire that still has to go through training, and may or may not make it through.
How Mesa management doesn't see this, is beyond me. Anyone, with or without business experience, can see this. There is about to be a grand exodus if they don't do something fast. And no amount of hiring is going to be able to keep up.
A friend of mine told me his latest paycheck was so bad he couldn't believe it.
12-03-2015, 10:32 AM
#2687
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Yes. This.
An already trained Line FO is more valuable than a new hire that still has to go through training, and may or may not make it through.
How Mesa management doesn't see this, is beyond me. Anyone, with or without business experience, can see this. There is about to be a grand exodus if they don't do something fast. And no amount of hiring is going to be able to keep up.
An already trained Line FO is more valuable than a new hire that still has to go through training, and may or may not make it through.
How Mesa management doesn't see this, is beyond me. Anyone, with or without business experience, can see this. There is about to be a grand exodus if they don't do something fast. And no amount of hiring is going to be able to keep up.
Think about it, so you give a newhire a bonus, what does that do? It simply ****es of the FO that was hired 3 months before this guy who didn't get a bonus. Who's out flying the line, the ****ed off guy. We all know ****ed off crews don't help D-0 departures...
Why put money into the hands of a newhire FO, someone who has yet to do anything for the company. Who knows if that guy will even pass training?
Put money into the hands of current line pilots, and use them as "company muscle" to hire and retain.
If I get someone hired (hypothetically speaking of course, I'm not trying to get anyone to come here, the fast upgrade ship has sailed.) It is in my best interest to keep that person here for the terms of payment. (2 years or whatever the terms are) If that person in going to make a career move decision, it's probably in my best interest to get him to stay so I get my money. Who do most people turn to for career advice? Their friends, the same person who has an investment in them staying.
It's an interesting twist on recruiting, that's for sure.
12-03-2015, 10:43 AM
#2689
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,198
Guys, I think what your missing is, their thought process being reward and pay the GUYS CURRENTLY MOVING THE METAL. Keep them happy, happy crews mean ontime flights.
Think about it, so you give a newhire a bonus, what does that do? It simply ****es of the FO that was hired 3 months before this guy who didn't get a bonus. Who's out flying the line, the ****ed off guy. We all know ****ed off crews don't help D-0 departures...
Why put money into the hands of a newhire FO, someone who has yet to do anything for the company. Who knows if that guy will even pass training?
Put money into the hands of current line pilots, and use them as "company muscle" to hire and retain.
If I get someone hired (hypothetically speaking of course, I'm not trying to get anyone to come here, the fast upgrade ship has sailed.) It is in my best interest to keep that person here for the terms of payment. (2 years or whatever the terms are) If that person in going to make a career move decision, it's probably in my best interest to get him to stay so I get my money. Who do most people turn to for career advice? Their friends, the same person who has an investment in them staying.
It's an interesting twist on recruiting, that's for sure.
Think about it, so you give a newhire a bonus, what does that do? It simply ****es of the FO that was hired 3 months before this guy who didn't get a bonus. Who's out flying the line, the ****ed off guy. We all know ****ed off crews don't help D-0 departures...
Why put money into the hands of a newhire FO, someone who has yet to do anything for the company. Who knows if that guy will even pass training?
Put money into the hands of current line pilots, and use them as "company muscle" to hire and retain.
If I get someone hired (hypothetically speaking of course, I'm not trying to get anyone to come here, the fast upgrade ship has sailed.) It is in my best interest to keep that person here for the terms of payment. (2 years or whatever the terms are) If that person in going to make a career move decision, it's probably in my best interest to get him to stay so I get my money. Who do most people turn to for career advice? Their friends, the same person who has an investment in them staying.
It's an interesting twist on recruiting, that's for sure.
12-03-2015, 11:02 AM
#2690
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 304
They said the same thing. Their paychecks were unbelievable. And the insurance was pathetic. They knew it was going to be bad, but not that bad. They were on reserve in IAD. They said people live in the crew room because there is no other option. Pilots and flight attendants go for days without a shower. It's disgusting. They take sponge baths in the airport bathroom because they can't afford a hotel room. And they certainly can't afford an apartment.
One applied for subsidized housing, and get this - didn't make the MINIMUM required to qualify for Assisted Affordable Housing. I couldn't believe it. If I can get the form they sent him showing the MINIMUM salary required to qualify, I will post it here. I know that the guaranteed hours multiplied by the pay rate didn't make the minimum qualification. If he flew enough to show enough per diem, it might have gotten him over the hump. But as a reserve, he wasn't flying enough. It's pretty bad when your salary as a commercial jet pilot doesn't pay enough to get subsidized housing for an efficiency apartment.
Regardless, both are leaving. Nobody should have to live that way. Especially after investing over $100k and several years in getting educated and qualified for a professional job.
There are better options out there. Don't sell yourself short.
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