New Mesa Thread
11-12-2015, 03:13 AM
#2301
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,533
Logic check:
So why'd you come and not wait in CFI land until we got a decent contract? You walked in the door just the same and none of your buddies got a $10k check. You are just as much a part of the problem you speak of as your peer getting his buddy to come here while he is cashing in $10k. None of us are idiots because of an email JO sent out. Just like none of us are idiots for staying at our house and collecting a $25 check for not sleeping at the company hotel on overnights which people (I think you included) got up in arms about. You need to check where you direct your condescension. There wasn't a line drawn after your date of hire whereby anyone who comes in after you is automatically part of the problem.
The fact that this email came out IS the leverage. This magic program won't work to attract newhires. Joedick CFI won't come to Mesa because his bro convinced him it was a great deal while he secretly is saying cha-Ching and waiting for his check. If someone's gonna come to Mesa, that person would come regardless. There are a bunch of other/better options. This changes nothing, other than putting a decent size check (half of first year pay) in our pockets if someone we know comes here and does everything to make sure you get credit for the referral.
So why'd you come and not wait in CFI land until we got a decent contract? You walked in the door just the same and none of your buddies got a $10k check. You are just as much a part of the problem you speak of as your peer getting his buddy to come here while he is cashing in $10k. None of us are idiots because of an email JO sent out. Just like none of us are idiots for staying at our house and collecting a $25 check for not sleeping at the company hotel on overnights which people (I think you included) got up in arms about. You need to check where you direct your condescension. There wasn't a line drawn after your date of hire whereby anyone who comes in after you is automatically part of the problem.
The fact that this email came out IS the leverage. This magic program won't work to attract newhires. Joedick CFI won't come to Mesa because his bro convinced him it was a great deal while he secretly is saying cha-Ching and waiting for his check. If someone's gonna come to Mesa, that person would come regardless. There are a bunch of other/better options. This changes nothing, other than putting a decent size check (half of first year pay) in our pockets if someone we know comes here and does everything to make sure you get credit for the referral.
11-12-2015, 05:05 AM
#2302
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Simple logic would agree with this. Fortunately we have actual scenarios to make a more informed decision.
XJT is losing flying and United is picking those FO's and CA's up like they are gods gift to aviation. While at the same time, our pilots are making a very small trickle to United. There is reason behind this from United's stand point. Why should they hire pilots that are awarded all this wonderful new flying for Mesa when they can just grab pilots that won't effect United's operation if they leave? Although not confirmed, one of my buddies at United has said their new hire classes are 80-90% SKW/XJT. How many of our guys are progressing to American? When America announced more CRJ's for us, I'm sure American will be in a hurry to grab our pilots.
On another note, I hope there is a list of everyone who refers a pilot. Kind of like the Freedom A list. I'd be happy to pass that right up to friends at the majors.
XJT is losing flying and United is picking those FO's and CA's up like they are gods gift to aviation. While at the same time, our pilots are making a very small trickle to United. There is reason behind this from United's stand point. Why should they hire pilots that are awarded all this wonderful new flying for Mesa when they can just grab pilots that won't effect United's operation if they leave? Although not confirmed, one of my buddies at United has said their new hire classes are 80-90% SKW/XJT. How many of our guys are progressing to American? When America announced more CRJ's for us, I'm sure American will be in a hurry to grab our pilots.
On another note, I hope there is a list of everyone who refers a pilot. Kind of like the Freedom A list. I'd be happy to pass that right up to friends at the majors.
11-12-2015, 05:31 AM
#2303
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 132
YX is in talks with UA to return/cancel orders for 24 ERJ-175s. No doubt Mesa wants pilots to get a share of that order.
11-12-2015, 06:16 AM
#2304
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 73
Either way company wins. With the amount that Mesa has been losing with training washouts and retrains. With average training costs around $27,000 per pilot they're hoping that:
A. You'll provide a pilot friend that will pass.
B. They'll cut their losses by more than half and realistically more than likely only pay out 5k purely due to either pilots longevity
C. Help provide them a source of where to go to find more pilots willing to work for jack sh*t.
D. They've already divided you with Union Representation now they have the individual who is desperate to make more money and at whatever cost. Thus perpetuating a soiled and listless Union.
A. You'll provide a pilot friend that will pass.
B. They'll cut their losses by more than half and realistically more than likely only pay out 5k purely due to either pilots longevity
C. Help provide them a source of where to go to find more pilots willing to work for jack sh*t.
D. They've already divided you with Union Representation now they have the individual who is desperate to make more money and at whatever cost. Thus perpetuating a soiled and listless Union.
Last edited by SubwaySandwich; 11-12-2015 at 06:30 AM.
11-12-2015, 07:10 AM
#2306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 233
1. So for the company to even try to get what other regionals are getting from their mainline deals we automatically become too expensive? Heck lets just all lower our pay then while we are at it! You sir are part of the problem. Sounds like you should be working with the MEC lol.
So I stand by what I said earlier. Either JO caves and actually pays us a "reasonable" wage (I use that term very loosely) until the money runs out (RAH), or we continue to work at our current rates and life goes on. Personally I am unwilling to do either and am looking to get out of 121 flying for that reason.
11-12-2015, 07:39 AM
#2307
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: men without hats
Posts: 371
Jeez you guys are no fun at all. That was me and it was 100% sarcasm. I don't know one person willing to come to Mesa who isn't already here. It's nothing more than a gimmick and I doubt it will have much of an impact on recruiting. In all seriousness if you want a better contract and/or flow agreements you would be foolish to support this by helping the company recruit. It's their mess let them figure it out.
11-12-2015, 08:10 AM
#2308
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
So I stand by what I said earlier. Either JO caves and actually pays us a "reasonable" wage (I use that term very loosely) until the money runs out (RAH), or we continue to work at our current rates and life goes on. Personally I am unwilling to do either and am looking to get out of 121 flying for that reason.
11-12-2015, 08:23 AM
#2309
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 233
Again, you're not understanding what I'm saying. If you did you would be encouraging me to vote because it would be a big NO vote from me.
11-12-2015, 08:33 AM
#2310
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 580
The only ones who support this referral bonus are the ones who are coming here from other regionals chasing the fast upgrade. I've encountered many former Envoy, XJT, and SkW pilots that are here and bringing their former comrades with them. It's JO's wet dream to have former 121 guys coming here who have their time already. It supports both the CRJ and EJET as well as FO and CA positions. If we have a high CA attrition then the upgrade comes faster if CA's are hanging on we have the fast upgrade with new flying. And, we will not see a new pilot contract until 2017. New MEC new negotiators and they all have to be trained. We are the ones that are backed into a corner with no leverage. Not mgmt.
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