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11-11-2015, 08:52 PM
#2291
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
So why'd you come and not wait in CFI land until we got a decent contract? You walked in the door just the same and none of your buddies got a $10k check. You are just as much a part of the problem you speak of as your peer getting his buddy to come here while he is cashing in $10k. None of us are idiots because of an email JO sent out. Just like none of us are idiots for staying at our house and collecting a $25 check for not sleeping at the company hotel on overnights which people (I think you included) got up in arms about. You need to check where you direct your condescension. There wasn't a line drawn after your date of hire whereby anyone who comes in after you is automatically part of the problem.
The fact that this email came out IS the leverage. This magic program won't work to attract newhires. Joedick CFI won't come to Mesa because his bro convinced him it was a great deal while he secretly is saying cha-Ching and waiting for his check. If someone's gonna come to Mesa, that person would come regardless. There are a bunch of other/better options. This changes nothing, other than putting a decent size check (half of first year pay) in our pockets if someone we know comes here and does everything to make sure you get credit for the referral.
11-11-2015, 08:58 PM
#2292
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Full Nelson
Posts: 367
That referral is taxable income too....so 10K is probably more around 7k in your pocket.
11-11-2015, 09:48 PM
#2294
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Logic check:
So why'd you come and not wait in CFI land until we got a decent contract? You walked in the door just the same and none of your buddies got a $10k check. You are just as much a part of the problem you speak of as your peer getting his buddy to come here while he is cashing in $10k. None of us are idiots because of an email JO sent out. Just like none of us are idiots for staying at our house and collecting a $25 check for not sleeping at the company hotel on overnights which people (I think you included) got up in arms about. You need to check where you direct your condescension. There wasn't a line drawn after your date of hire whereby anyone who comes in after you is automatically part of the problem.
The fact that this email came out IS the leverage. This magic program won't work to attract newhires. Joedick CFI won't come to Mesa because his bro convinced him it was a great deal while he secretly is saying cha-Ching and waiting for his check. If someone's gonna come to Mesa, that person would come regardless. There are a bunch of other/better options. This changes nothing, other than putting a decent size check (half of first year pay) in our pockets if someone we know comes here and does everything to make sure you get credit for the referral.
So why'd you come and not wait in CFI land until we got a decent contract? You walked in the door just the same and none of your buddies got a $10k check. You are just as much a part of the problem you speak of as your peer getting his buddy to come here while he is cashing in $10k. None of us are idiots because of an email JO sent out. Just like none of us are idiots for staying at our house and collecting a $25 check for not sleeping at the company hotel on overnights which people (I think you included) got up in arms about. You need to check where you direct your condescension. There wasn't a line drawn after your date of hire whereby anyone who comes in after you is automatically part of the problem.
The fact that this email came out IS the leverage. This magic program won't work to attract newhires. Joedick CFI won't come to Mesa because his bro convinced him it was a great deal while he secretly is saying cha-Ching and waiting for his check. If someone's gonna come to Mesa, that person would come regardless. There are a bunch of other/better options. This changes nothing, other than putting a decent size check (half of first year pay) in our pockets if someone we know comes here and does everything to make sure you get credit for the referral.
11-11-2015, 09:50 PM
#2295
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Who cares? One of two things will happen:
1. Mesa gets an industry leading or industry standard contract. We become "too expensive" over night (See XJT) and lose current flying to the next lowest bidder (as contracts expire) and do not get awarded any new flying because we're no longer competitive. In the meantime the company pays pilots significantly more than they can afford to pay based on the contracts they've arranged with our partners and we work our way towards bankruptcy where we will be stripped of all the gains made by a nice contract.
2.) Pilots continue to come work at Mesa. The company continues to be awarded new flying based on our dirt cheap labor costs. This fuels the quick upgrades which fuels a steady stream of new hires. No significant contract gains will be made because there is no need.
The whipsaw will continue. The airline industry as a whole is downright insulting.
1. Mesa gets an industry leading or industry standard contract. We become "too expensive" over night (See XJT) and lose current flying to the next lowest bidder (as contracts expire) and do not get awarded any new flying because we're no longer competitive. In the meantime the company pays pilots significantly more than they can afford to pay based on the contracts they've arranged with our partners and we work our way towards bankruptcy where we will be stripped of all the gains made by a nice contract.
2.) Pilots continue to come work at Mesa. The company continues to be awarded new flying based on our dirt cheap labor costs. This fuels the quick upgrades which fuels a steady stream of new hires. No significant contract gains will be made because there is no need.
The whipsaw will continue. The airline industry as a whole is downright insulting.
11-11-2015, 10:56 PM
#2296
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
I'm talking about the people on here all gung ho talking about making business cards and setting up websites. Your right I did choose to come here because I live in base and didn't want to sit on reserve for 4 years at XJet or Envoy. But that doesn't mean the writing is on the wall that they are having trouble filling classes and this is just another last resort for them to avoid raising pay at any and all cost. Bringing in more people only decreases the amount of leverage we have. To say this changes nothing is a complete joke and just plain stupid to say.
2) What changes with this announcement? You think the bonus to a seated employee will really get more people in the door? You think someone will come here now who wouldn't have otherwise if this bonus didn't exist even though said recruit won't see a dime of that bonus and will live on $22/hr first year pay? In this hiring environment? Really?
11-11-2015, 11:09 PM
#2297
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: First Officer
Posts: 121
Any pilot who wants to work at Mesa, I will split the $10k, 50/50. Message me!
11-11-2015, 11:25 PM
#2298
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: First Officer
Posts: 121
Why are so many people confused where the money is coming from and how Mesa can afford this? We voted away the money! As right and logical as our NO vote was, that's the exact reason they can afford to do this!
11-11-2015, 11:37 PM
#2299
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
1) Classes aren't as full as they need them. Total pilots stays right at 1200 each month. We can't get above that number and we need to with attrition picking up to staff properly...and that's not counting growth. If you don't believe me go talk to a recruiter or someone in the training dept or scheduling. Lastly, why on Gods green earth would JO offer $10k for a referral if we didn't didn't have a problem filling classes?
2) What changes with this announcement? You think the bonus to a seated employee will really get more people in the door? You think someone will come here now who wouldn't have otherwise if this bonus didn't exist even though said recruit won't see a dime of that bonus and will live on $22/hr first year pay? In this hiring environment? Really?
2) What changes with this announcement? You think the bonus to a seated employee will really get more people in the door? You think someone will come here now who wouldn't have otherwise if this bonus didn't exist even though said recruit won't see a dime of that bonus and will live on $22/hr first year pay? In this hiring environment? Really?
11-11-2015, 11:43 PM
#2300
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Actually this is a good point. This is another easy work around for management. I'm assuming most people that do this are going to be splitting it 50/50. It's like Mesa is now offering a 5k signing bonus assuming you stay on the required two years and assuming the person who recruited you is still working for the company. This is also assuming that somewhere it says Mesa is not allowed to give out signing bonuses in the first place. Someone correct me if i'm wrong on that because I'm honestly not sure.
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