Originally Posted by BeatNavy

By the way, having the self-respect to demand a near industry standard contract commensurate with flying a jet with 76 pax is not tantamount to being a spoiled child. I hope one day you realize that. The industry will be better off for it.

Originally Posted by FrequentFly3r

Until more people realize this the "regional airlines" will continue to be a joke. The longer I spend in this industry (and meet people with no education or skills making two to three times what I make per year) the more I begin to fully understand how terribly regional pilots are treated. I'm looking to leave the field of aviation entirely within the year, so, like BeatNavy, I doubt I'll be working here if/when a new contract comes around.

Bitter.
/rant

Originally Posted by Navmode

You sound like a spoiled child. YES, EVERYTHING IS A TRADEOFF! Do you think if Mesa was in amazing financial shape that they would have been in bankruptcy in the first place? Yes the company sold us down the river with mis-management and wasting resources. That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if we say "it's their problem", because we're the ones that get to deal with it. And if you didn't notice, the fact that the TA even went to a vote means we won't see anything for the amount of time it took to churn out what was even on the table.

Do you think the company cares if we're below industry average? They don't. The only thing they care about is having exactly enough people on staff to complete enough flights not to violate the CPA.....For god's sake stop playing the victim card. Buttering us up for another subpar contract? YOU WORK FOR A SUBPAR COMPANY! If you don't like what's going on, the either do something about it or leave; because crying about the 'tone' of them asking what WE want isn't doing us any good.

Originally Posted by iFlyRC

I am in complete agreement with Beat Navy, had the same exact thoughts, and this is why we need to keep cleaning house. There is a cancer in the MEC, and I can't believe after a 86% no vote, some one in the MEC is still pushing the same bull crap! Navmode, are you BC? AH?, DC? , JC? Seriously, I think the younger pilot group needs to take the bull by the horn and let the lifers sit back and just fly the line

Originally Posted by Navmode

I'm not an Mec rep, so don't think I'm just being passive aggressive that others don't appreciate my work. I have everything to lose or gain in this fight that you do. I don't disagree that we deserve (better than) an industry average contract. The reality is that we're so far behind that expecting that to happen is wasting your time, regardless of who we elect to represent us. We're simply not going to get everything we want all at once.

I also never said that wanting industry average is wrong. But whining about the 'tone' of the survey (which was clearly to assess our opinions and what we value in negotiations) makes you sound like someone that is used to getting participation awards.

Originally Posted by iFlyRC

The last participation award I received was immediately thrown in the garbage can. I only count first place. Secondly, I am perfectly happy with the current contract until we have the leverage to get industry standard. Thirdly, the MEC, and the pilot group does not have to worry about how JO is going to pay for it! It is his problem to figure out, pilots are a commodity, and we have a set value. It is just the cost of doing business. Do you believe he loses sleep wondering how his first officers will pay the bills, or how his pilots can't afford the health care? Of course not!!! So why are you caring about his problems? This is Stockholm syndrome, pure and simple. Now you might be a lifer at Mesa at this point, and afraid that Mesa may go out of business, that is valid, but you are no longer the majority of this pilot group.

Originally Posted by Navmode

Who said anything about sympathizing? If the company isn't in the financial position to give us everything we want, then it's not possible. It doesn't matter who's fault it is, and it doesn't matter how much leverage you may think we have. If that means the company goes under to lack of staffing, then so be it. I literally lol'd at the suggestion that I'm a lifer though, so thanks for the laugh.

Originally Posted by iFlyRC

Just like there is no money for 15 more e-jets that Mesa is financing, just like there is no money for a brand new hangar in DFW that Mesa is financing! Stand up for yourself! You are exactly the pilot Mesa wants.

Originally Posted by BE24pilot

There is just no money for pilots, or all labor for that manner. There never has been, and there never will be. JO would rather close this place down than have to pay an industry average contract. That has been the story of Mesa all the way back to when Lary ran things in Farmington. If you have previous 121 than upgrade and move on. If you are new and commute than the world is your regional oyster. You can be hired tomorrow for double the pay, benefits and QOL. Not to mention potential career progression to the majors, and far superior travel benefits. If you are new to the industry, then do your homework before you take a job over the phone.