New Mesa Thread
10-27-2015, 07:56 PM
#2021
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Don't ever kid yourself, this is a small industry, and an even smaller world. Constantly running into people that knows someone I know from way back. You think that because 20 years goes by, something you did infamously won't follow you? I found out how my old ******** boss was fired from when he was a 1900 captain. Quite a few people I work with today, also worked with him back in the day. Stay clean, never talk ill of anyone, stay under the radar, and always smile. The person you **** off today will be the person that destroys your career later.
10-27-2015, 08:15 PM
#2022
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A little pro tip about hr management...they can only say to future employers that you:
1. In fact worked here
2. Did/didn't fail a drug test
3. Was/was not terminated due to poor performance.
It's not the same deal as a personal recommendation that someone might write to a letter.
1. In fact worked here
2. Did/didn't fail a drug test
3. Was/was not terminated due to poor performance.
It's not the same deal as a personal recommendation that someone might write to a letter.
But if I'm a pilot involved with the hiring somewhere like Atlas, UPS, AA, Spirit, Southwest, etc., and I see that Joe Pilot worked at Mesa for less than a year, I'm gonna look into it. Maybe there's a good reason, like Joe got a really great job that is clearly just career progression. But I'm gonna find out if Joe ponied up the money when he left, because if not, I know what sort of value he puts on his signature and on his word.
Maybe I'm being paranoid, and I'm willing to own that.
Still, there is the whole, "You signed a thing and gave your word, and that's important" thing... but maybe that attitude is dying out...
10-27-2015, 08:21 PM
#2023
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In your right seat? Awful at scheduling? If the guy your talking about is the same as the guy I know he would bend over backwards for people when he was a scheduler here and is a hell of a good pilot.
10-28-2015, 06:12 AM
#2024
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Your "pro tip" is extremely wrong.
I've personally been in a chief pilot's office (not at this airline) listening to one chief tell another chief all about so-and-so's record.
These guys have personal cellphones--it's a small world--never trust that the only info being communicated about you is your PRIA.
Go look up the Boring v. Alaskan Airlines lawsuit (there's a thread about it on here). Long story short, a Mesa pilot whose termination was reversed by Mesa ended up getting fired from Alaskan for not disclosing the termination on the application (even though it was reversed). The court ruled in favor of Alaskan.
Airlines don't ask "is there a termination on your PRIA"--they ask have you ever been terminated (in the last 10 years). Subtle difference, but the court ruled in Alaskans favor because he didn't disclose it.
Go read the Boring v. Alaskan lawsuit and you'll realize you're wrong--there are lots and lots of ways airlines figure out everything there is to know about you, and PRIA is worthless.
I've personally been in a chief pilot's office (not at this airline) listening to one chief tell another chief all about so-and-so's record.
These guys have personal cellphones--it's a small world--never trust that the only info being communicated about you is your PRIA.
Go look up the Boring v. Alaskan Airlines lawsuit (there's a thread about it on here). Long story short, a Mesa pilot whose termination was reversed by Mesa ended up getting fired from Alaskan for not disclosing the termination on the application (even though it was reversed). The court ruled in favor of Alaskan.
Airlines don't ask "is there a termination on your PRIA"--they ask have you ever been terminated (in the last 10 years). Subtle difference, but the court ruled in Alaskans favor because he didn't disclose it.
Go read the Boring v. Alaskan lawsuit and you'll realize you're wrong--there are lots and lots of ways airlines figure out everything there is to know about you, and PRIA is worthless.
10-28-2015, 06:29 AM
#2025
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And yes, in reality I wouldn't hire you for that, and if you did work for me, you'd be the first to be let go.
10-28-2015, 08:05 AM
#2026
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Position: gear slinger
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I'm with you on this, but it may or may not be legal depending on the state in which this takes place. Knowing what I know about Mesa, I wouldn't get too wrapped up with who is punching out and not paying up on their commitments. You have to look at the bigger picture too. So why are pilots leaving and not owning up to a signed document? Has the company held up their end of the deal too? The company has definitely done us dirty by making up their own interpretation of parts of our CBA, so why anyone would get upset with a pilot trying to legally maneuver out a training contract with Mesa is beyond me.
10-28-2015, 10:10 AM
#2027
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A law that cannot be enforced, is not a law. People are discriminated against constantly for a myriad of reasons, and the official reason why some one was not hired or let go can be a made up reason that's perfectly legal and impossible to defend against. There are laws, and there is reality. Let's say I am hiring, you show up with an Obama bumper sticker, or Hillary, or Sanders, I am not hiring you. Official reason, better qualified candidates.
And yes, in reality I wouldn't hire you for that, and if you did work for me, you'd be the first to be let go.
And yes, in reality I wouldn't hire you for that, and if you did work for me, you'd be the first to be let go.
That's pretty ****ty and unethical, especially if someone is super qualified. If you're in that position, your goal is to hire safe pilots who can do their job well. Choosing not to hire someone based on their bumper sticker would make you pretty bad at your job. What if they're female, or foreign, vegetarian, roll coal or drive a Prius, love Jesus, hate guns? What do any of those things have to do with someone's ability? Are you afraid of people who aren't like you?
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10-28-2015, 10:16 AM
#2028
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That's pretty ****ty and unethical, especially if someone is super qualified. If you're in that position, your goal is to hire safe pilots who can do their job well. Choosing not to hire someone based on their bumper sticker would make you pretty bad at your job. What if they're female, or foreign, vegetarian, roll coal or drive a Prius, love Jesus, hate guns? What do any of those things have to do with someone's ability? Are you afraid of people who aren't like you?
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Most uneducated conservatives are afraid of change. So yes, he is afraid of ideas and assumptions that challenge his own.
On the other side, there are some ignorant liberals who hate religious people and guns.
10-28-2015, 10:29 AM
#2029
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I'd think most sane people who pay taxes don't want the change you are referring to.
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