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Old 07-30-2015, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757
Not for Mesas crappy pay. Thanks anyway.
Why are you so butt hurt that you need to venture in the Mesa forum and talk so much trash? I'm guessing you either have nothing going on in your life that's interesting so you spend all day trash talking the Mesa Forum like Facebiter.

Why so much concern?? Just wondering.
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Darant
Why are you so butt hurt that you need to venture in the Mesa forum and talk so much trash? I'm guessing you either have nothing going on in your life that's interesting so you spend all day trash talking the Mesa Forum like Facebiter.

Why so much concern?? Just wondering.
You guys love to keep your heads buried in the sand and pretend your pay rates affect only you.
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
You guys love to keep your heads buried in the sand and pretend your pay rates affect only you.
Please. If Mesa pilots "held the line" and demanded more money, the next regional in line would step right up and take Mesa's jets off their hands and the whipsaw would continue. People want movement. Movement means quick career progression and better QOL. Pilots will always do what's best for them... The system is broken. The pilots will never band together to try to fix it. Not too many people are willing to put their jobs on the line when they know it really won't make a difference anyway.

I'm not saying I like it at all. I'm just being a realist. This is the state of the industry today. Until all the lift goes back to mainline where it belongs, things will never improve enough to matter for us RJ drivers. It's just the sad truth.
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FrequentFly3r
Please. If Mesa pilots "held the line" and demanded more money, the next regional in line would step right up and take Mesa's jets off their hands and the whipsaw would continue. People want movement. Movement means quick career progression and better QOL. Pilots will always do what's best for them... The system is broken. The pilots will never band together to try to fix it. Not too many people are willing to put their jobs on the line when they know it really won't make a difference anyway.

I'm not saying I like it at all. I'm just being a realist. This is the state of the industry today. Until all the lift goes back to mainline where it belongs, things will never improve enough to matter for us RJ drivers. It's just the sad truth.
Who's gonna whipsaw the bottom of the bottom feeder? Not saying that maliciously. Nobody can staff flying, and certainly no one can do it cheaper than Mesa. You guys don't have to do anything extraordinary; demanding an average contract seems fair.
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Coneydog
Who's gonna whipsaw the bottom of the bottom feeder? Not saying that maliciously. Nobody can staff flying, and certainly no one can do it cheaper than Mesa. You guys don't have to do anything extraordinary; demanding an average contract seems fair.
GoJet?? Sounds like they're arent having staffing issues. I hear they're pretty cheap.

Our Delta 900 flying went to ASA. It always can be shuffled if the days current pilot group on the chopping block isn't willing to play.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:17 PM
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have not read all the previous posts, on this new and improved Mesa thread, but I have it on good sources that there's a little clause in the new TA to allow approx 20 guys/month to go from the CRJ to the EJet.
That would greatly change the dynamics of the IAH base. You've got some very junior guys flying around holding good lines, while much, much more senior guys on the CRJ are stuck on reserve....
Not sure how this will all play out!
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Coneydog
Who's gonna whipsaw the bottom of the bottom feeder? Not saying that maliciously. Nobody can staff flying, and certainly no one can do it cheaper than Mesa. You guys don't have to do anything extraordinary; demanding an average contract seems fair.
I don't take it maliciously at all. I'm just putting the facts on the table. The regional whipsaw will continue until the flying goes back to mainline or each major airline wholly owns one regional airline to exclusively operate flights on their behalf. Until that happens lift will be shuffled from regional to regional and pilots will come in droves making lateral moves for the quick upgrade.

Like I said earlier, I don't like it. The state of the regional industry is downright depressing right now. But people have to understand that pilots will (and should) do what's best for them and their families.
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Old 07-30-2015, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikingscott
have not read all the previous posts, on this new and improved Mesa thread, but I have it on good sources that there's a little clause in the new TA to allow approx 20 guys/month to go from the CRJ to the EJet.
That would greatly change the dynamics of the IAH base. You've got some very junior guys flying around holding good lines, while much, much more senior guys on the CRJ are stuck on reserve....
Not sure how this will all play out!
BS.
I'm going to have to call BS on this...

If 20 guys a month flowed from CRJ to EJET that creates up to 40 @ 20k each extra training events a month or roughly $800,000.00 in extra training costs a month.

LOL. me thinks not.
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Old 07-30-2015, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikingscott
have not read all the previous posts, on this new and improved Mesa thread, but I have it on good sources that there's a little clause in the new TA to allow approx 20 guys/month to go from the CRJ to the EJet.
That would greatly change the dynamics of the IAH base. You've got some very junior guys flying around holding good lines, while much, much more senior guys on the CRJ are stuck on reserve....
Not sure how this will all play out!
BS.
This doesn't make sense. Those senior people had the opportunity to bid over and still can. I'm confused. That's how seniority works... If there are senior people sitting reserve on the CRJ that's their choice to stay. Why would the company care?
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikingscott
have not read all the previous posts, on this new and improved Mesa thread, but I have it on good sources that there's a little clause in the new TA to allow approx 20 guys/month to go from the CRJ to the EJet.
That would greatly change the dynamics of the IAH base. You've got some very junior guys flying around holding good lines, while much, much more senior guys on the CRJ are stuck on reserve....
Not sure how this will all play out!
BS.
Your source is wrong and/or exaggerating the number of people who can transfer.

Yes--the TA includes provisions allowing CRJ drivers to transition to the EJet, but it is nothing close to 20/month anytime soon.

Just sit tight and wait, ya'll--it won't be long before we have it in our hands.
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