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09-21-2015, 07:52 PM

#1341

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

Atlas, Southwest, and AA (which was APA non-ALPA during KCM's development) all supported the development of KCM as members of Airlines for America (A4A). So their employers helped pay for its development.

And yes--Skywest, RAH, and GoJet pilots should feel lucky they get to use KCM, since neither their pilots nor employers paid for its development.

Man I feel so lucky. I get to keep my 2% and don't have to pay for kcm. You use what ever you need to justify working for well less than any pilot deserves. Someone's always got to be on the bottom, but as long as they have alpa it's all good.

09-21-2015, 08:17 PM

#1342

WesternSkies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

And yes--Skywest, RAH, and GoJet pilots should feel lucky they get to use KCM, since neither their pilots nor employers paid for its development.

Of course exclusivity was a goal of those who set it up, but it was also a hardline that would have killed your "development ". KCM costs can only be validated if a very large pilot group has access and voila you have 135 pilots getting inclusion.

Silly debate keeps coming around. The government will not set up a government program and give exclusivity to a union/special interest group. there is no luck about it. Coat tails is a different argument, but not luck.

09-22-2015, 12:17 AM

#1343

Blackwing

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Anybody know if it's permissible to deadhead out of uniform? It's the first leg of a trip, and it's straight to the hotel from there.

09-22-2015, 02:28 AM

#1344

PilotJ3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

American Eagle (envoy), was part of the original group of pilot supporting and testing KCM. By the time the trials where done, the company said they where not going to pay for KCM. We made our voice heard and they agreed to pay for it.

These things should not be contractual, neither the pilot should pay for it. Fight for your rights, KCM should not be considered a contract gain.

09-22-2015, 03:48 AM

#1345

flyguy102

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwing

Anybody know if it's permissible to deadhead out of uniform? It's the first leg of a trip, and it's straight to the hotel from there.

That's a nope. Sorry

09-22-2015, 03:57 AM

#1346

NovemberBravo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwing

Anybody know if it's permissible to deadhead out of uniform? It's the first leg of a trip, and it's straight to the hotel from there.

You are supposed to be in uniform, with that said I wouldn't be in that situation.

09-22-2015, 04:03 AM

#1347

NovemberBravo

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And No vote is in.

09-22-2015, 06:57 AM

#1348

Duct Mon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwing

Anybody know if it's permissible to deadhead out of uniform? It's the first leg of a trip, and it's straight to the hotel from there.

Yes you do. You're getting paid even though it's at 50% you must be in full uniform.

A difinitive NO vote submitted.

09-22-2015, 12:01 PM

#1349

milehighskyline

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So I have never had to drop a trip as a line holder. Relatively jr line at that. How hard will it be to drop one next month? Any input is appreciated.

09-22-2015, 12:16 PM

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iFlyRC

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Originally Posted by milehighskyline

So I have never had to drop a trip as a line holder. Relatively jr line at that. How hard will it be to drop one next month? Any input is appreciated.

Look at flica